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| Highland |
Aug 14 2021, 08:57 AM
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I'm guessing it's been tried, but is there a downside to forcing fresh oncoming air into the engine compartment? I've read that removing the rain tray does not help cooling which tells me the 2 engine compartment side vents are more than adequate to feed the centrifugal cooling fan; so perhaps increasing engine compartment air pressure and reducing relative air temperature would help.
So don't laugh too hard at the pictures (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) It's a first pass attempt. I did a couple of runs on my normal joy ride and am qualitatively seeing about a 5 to 10 degree head temp reduction and quicker cooling to normal temps after an uphill grade. Also cruising at 65mph in 5th I'm seeing about a 10 degree reduction in steady state temperature. I have a big hole in the back due to a 3D print problem and my duct tape keeps on flying loose so not getting full duct air. I just have a VDO head temp gauge on #3 plug. As many of you know the VDO has 50 degree hash marks; so not real accurate reads. So is it correct that head temps are not affected by outside air temp, that's an oil temp thing? Has anyone tried this? The stock grating is still in place. Can I be doing any harm? |
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| JeffBowlsby |
Aug 14 2021, 09:29 PM
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| wonkipop |
Aug 14 2021, 10:57 PM
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Read these 914 aerodynamics papers: good stuff mr. b. you have some good gear/research you have accumulated. air flow along flanks of 914 confirms vw thinking on the old type 3. the long louvre vents on rear guard flanks of those were into plenums that then fully seal ducted cooling air and induction air into the engine. they never had any tin-ware separating lower engine from upper engine. just a separated ducted cooling intake. you want to keep your cooling air intake as far from your heated air exhaust as possible in everyday conditions of stop start go slow traffic. i reckon porsche got it right for the 914 as an everyday car (except when it comes to something like death valley/and or/australia). fortunately you don't get caught in traffic jams in death valley? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) as an aside, 917s just had a dirty big hole in the top and the fan sucked it straight in. and they were going at 230mph. no ram tube etc for cooling. they might have been trying to ram induction air in later on. |
Highland Forcing Air into the Engine Compartment Aug 14 2021, 08:57 AM
SO.O.C914er I’ve been trying to think of ways to bring more ... Aug 14 2021, 09:06 AM
Chris914n6
I’ve been trying to think of ways to bring more... Aug 14 2021, 09:53 PM
Craigers17 Kinda reminds me of the old swamp coolers.....only... Aug 14 2021, 10:13 AM
arbitrary Years ago I played around with a data logger and a... Aug 14 2021, 10:35 AM
Mikey914 I think he’s on to something here. The area is a... Aug 14 2021, 11:05 AM
Chris914n6 The rain tray is not a tight fit so plenty of air ... Aug 14 2021, 11:22 AM
Highland I think Jake R said removing the rain tray made no... Aug 14 2021, 11:25 AM
Olympic 914
I think Jake R said removing the rain tray made ... Aug 14 2021, 12:01 PM
Highland
Although I have no scientific evidence, My p... Aug 14 2021, 02:37 PM
Montreal914 I would use a temperature compensated thermocouple... Aug 14 2021, 11:32 AM
barefoot
I would use a temperature compensated thermocoupl... Aug 14 2021, 02:20 PM
914werke Perhaps Im dense. :rolleyes: What are you trying... Aug 14 2021, 12:38 PM
JamesM Are you running a pair of these?
https://914rubb... Aug 14 2021, 03:18 PM
moto914 +1 on Sharing cooling ideas.
+1 on bringing air fr... Aug 14 2021, 05:00 PM
maf914 Highland,
Interesting approach to forcing more ai... Aug 14 2021, 05:16 PM
wonkipop biggest problem a 14 has got is getting rid of the... Aug 14 2021, 06:16 PM
Chris914n6
Read these 914 aerodynamics papers:
There is a f... Aug 14 2021, 10:55 PM

Superhawk996
Read these 914 aerodynamics papers:
There is a ... Aug 15 2021, 09:02 AM
Krieger I've been thinking about this too for my track... Aug 14 2021, 10:18 PM
nein14 What about these on a quarter with GT flares
Aug 15 2021, 08:32 AM
Mikey914 I'm interested. We could thermoform some ducts... Aug 15 2021, 08:33 AM
mlindner Mikey, just installed your air deflectors on my 6 ... Aug 15 2021, 09:08 AM
Literati914 Seems to me that the main heat issues (on a street... Aug 15 2021, 09:52 AM
914werke What are you trying to accomplish? Reducing head ... Aug 15 2021, 10:22 AM
Literati914
As to what I'm trying to accomplish: Just try... Aug 15 2021, 10:37 AM
914sgofast2 Anyone tried gluing strips of yard to the top and ... Aug 15 2021, 11:32 AM
JeffBowlsby Next question? Thse are al found on my 914 Classi... Aug 15 2021, 12:21 PM
914_teener
Next question? Thse are al found on my 914 Class... Aug 15 2021, 02:29 PM
BeatNavy
My thought was to gain the difference in the exha... Aug 15 2021, 03:01 PM
914_teener
My thought was to gain the difference in the exh... Aug 15 2021, 04:48 PM
914werke I'm excited to see how they work and if the c... Aug 15 2021, 03:18 PM
BeatNavy
I'm excited to see how they work and if the ... Aug 15 2021, 03:26 PM
wonkipop a detail i used to notice about vw type 3s was the... Aug 15 2021, 05:15 PM
djway
I'm guessing it's been tried, but is ther... Aug 15 2021, 09:21 PM
Shivers Seems to have good air flow on the rocker and they... Aug 16 2021, 05:58 AM
Jamie
Seems to have good air flow on the rocker and the... Aug 16 2021, 09:42 AM
JmuRiz
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And worked well on the Ferrari BB http://w... Aug 16 2021, 10:35 AM
Mikey914 Honestly,
The best cooling is probably obtained by... Aug 16 2021, 10:21 AM
johnhora Another pic of the engine lid airflow...
the q... Aug 16 2021, 11:06 AM
Superhawk996 There really is no need for guessing what is possi... Aug 16 2021, 05:56 PM
Maltese Falcon I tried this simple air scoop attached to the righ... Aug 17 2021, 12:22 AM
wonkipop @Superhawk996
great set of figures, good explana... Aug 17 2021, 01:26 AM
stownsen914 Aircooled engines need all the cooling help they c... Aug 17 2021, 06:05 AM
Literati914
Another pic of the engine lid airflow...
I w... Aug 17 2021, 11:30 AM
914sgofast2
Another pic of the engine lid airflow...
I ... Aug 17 2021, 01:08 PM
arbitrary Apologies if I’m missing something but isn’t l... Aug 17 2021, 02:04 PM
brant 2 cents from my experiments with added air.
We us... Aug 17 2021, 02:05 PM
PCH Maybe the hell hole is just the poor over heated c... Aug 17 2021, 04:06 PM
PCH Superhawk996 is right on. The most important thing... Aug 17 2021, 06:12 PM
wonkipop right on @PCH
and [b]@[url=http://www.914world.... Aug 18 2021, 03:43 AM
KSCarrera At the last hillclimb event 10 days ago, it rained... Aug 18 2021, 08:02 AM
Highland Even though my scoop experiments to date have been... Sep 10 2021, 04:40 PM
bbrock
Even though my scoop experiments to date have bee... Sep 10 2021, 05:43 PM
Superhawk996
Even though my scoop experiments to date have be... Sep 11 2021, 04:20 PM
r_towle The fan will only move a fixed amount of air, or C... Sep 11 2021, 03:16 PM
brant
The fan will only move a fixed amount of air, or ... Sep 11 2021, 05:30 PM
Dave_Darling One point that some seem to be forgetting is that ... Sep 11 2021, 07:22 PM
wonkipop
One point that some seem to be forgetting is that... Sep 11 2021, 09:52 PM
Rand I'm late to the game so flame me. #1 You canno... Sep 11 2021, 07:44 PM
emerygt350 Having cooler air in the engine compartment can on... Sep 12 2021, 05:42 PM
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