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914/4: 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 914/6: 70 71 72
| Clubsport32 |
Nov 7 2021, 01:13 AM
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Hi All
Have seen this on an unrestored car…does anybody have anymore details…? I assume the 022 refers to the 1.7L but what about the other number? Any insight would be appreciated…thanks Andy Attached thumbnail(s) |
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| wonkipop |
Nov 23 2021, 04:42 PM
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last night i did a bit of reading up on 1973.
not 914 history, but broad history. i was only 13 at the time - probably why i can't remember much besides kicking footballs, playing cricket and general running around aussie kids did! (but there was an oil crisis in aus, i remember my father not being able to get enough fuel and we had to stop using the "big" holden and start going everywhere in my mothers beetle). 74 MY production starts beginning sept 1973. (think thats right). Yom Kippur War begins oct 6 1973. does not come out of nowhere, had been building for 4 months prior. oil producing arab nations immediately impose oil embargo at beginning of war. targeting western nations supporting israel. sparking first oil crisis. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) in response to oil shortage and rationing president nixon imposes nationwide 55 mph speed limit. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) november 23 1973. within space of first 2-3 months of 1974 MY 914 production there is no petrol, no speeding. perfect storm - intersects with the imposition of stricter emissions limits in both california and to some extent the other 49 states. (i believe california is a very important market for porsche at that time, roughly 50% of sales in the USA are to california, think i have that right - and 75% of all porsches are sold in the USA - remaining 25% rest of world and germany). ---------- porsche must have seen the events in the middle east coming? (along with Ford, GM and Chrysler et al). it had been building as a threat since may 1973. egypt was rattling its sabre all year prior. ------------- what i think. just a thesis as they say in research. EC-A is the car that meets the california emissions target and passes the curbside idle test. it has retarded timing at idle to lower NOx emissions at standing idle. EC-B is also the car that meets the california emissions target but in addition has extra vacuum advance of timing at cruise for fuel economy. Both scenarios are completed at the time the cars are being prepared for production? Represent two possibilities both of which pass CARB and EPA and are 50 state compliant. The EC-A is probably the preferred variant? - but with fuel economy potentially a big issue about to become bigger, vw and porsche choose EC-B as the one to go first on sale? The EC-B car (starbear/wonki/van B) has slight driveability issues when compared to the EC-A car? doesn't come down off throttle as well or drive as smoothly at part throttle as the EC-A version? some people do say this with 1.8s. and its complicated territory. the decel valve is also implicated in driveability issues at that exact time, 73-74. Richard Nixon's imposition of 55 mph speed limit renders fuel economy a moot point. most cars are going to be a lot more economical at 55, its the efficiency point where air resistance doesn't kick in hard and the engine is just loping along. after Nov 73, vw and porsche don't have to worry about fuel economy at high speed cruise? there is no high speed cruise (legally speaking). They bring EC-A back into play and the cars start having that set up. (accords with dr. 914 and his view that EC-A starts in jan 74). EC-A drives a little sweeter? interestingly - its not hard for dealers to plug and play between EC-A or EC-B. just pull a hose and plug throttle body advance port. both scenarios are legal as both are california/EPA approved. doesn't matter about the sticker, thats just the way the car comes initially set up. its a legal mod and legal variation. dealers/mechanics would have known for sure how they could play with the car to make a customer happy and stay within the emissions laws. ????? ------ 49 state car. this is the hardest one to work out. reason being they were certainly selling a 50 state car in places other than california -so why have a 49 state car and why sell a 50 state car in a 49 state. it has advance only on dist and throttle body? for fuel economy at high speed cruise? no retard at idle - not necessary - 49 states did not have the harsher standard for curb idle? car does not run as hot at idle either with no idle retard. the sticker distinguishes these cars not by EC-A or EC-B - it indicates what it is by only having EPA compliance shown on sticker. ??????? more info/research needed on the 49 state car. a bit thin on ground. ------- A does not equal USA and B does not equal california. (evidence is that both A and B are California + EPA). A does not come before B in chronological time. (evidence and claims by people who would know for sure says B comes before A). what A and B are is two possibilities for 74 MY in a very difficult time and environment? A = emissions compliant and superior driveability (might have been subtle?). B = emissions complaint and fuel economy (has the edge at high speed cruise?). vw and porsche have the two options up their sleeve. and flip for B to begin with? by late november 1973 any "advantages" B has are rendered marginal by nixon 55mph. A gets introduced back into the picture. --------- its only a thesis. ready to be pulled apart. but the 1.8 is interesting in my view because its the first time L jet is used. and it is born into a first oil crisis and a first pollution crisis. --------- still don't have an answer to engine paint stamp codes - original question. but looks like an EC-B could be either a 604 or a 605. it looks like an EC-A could be a 607 engine stamp? but only one example so far to go off. |
Clubsport32 Tinware writing Nov 7 2021, 01:13 AM
davep I think most engines had the markings. With all th... Nov 7 2021, 06:22 AM
StarBear Those number are quite different than any I’ve s... Nov 10 2021, 08:02 PM
wonkipop sure look different to mine too.
mine probably loo... Nov 11 2021, 01:44 AM
StarBear This is what every one I've ever seen looks li... Nov 12 2021, 10:29 AM
wonkipop mine looks like that- sort of. number is 604 inst... Nov 12 2021, 04:15 PM
StarBear There was a thread a few months ago. Might make se... Nov 12 2021, 06:04 PM
davep I do not believe these were stenciled; it looks mo... Nov 12 2021, 09:49 PM
wonkipop
I do not believe these were stenciled; it looks m... Nov 13 2021, 01:34 AM
StarBear Wow! How do you find this stuff? Great job; ke... Nov 13 2021, 06:55 AM
wonkipop its part of my real job - historical research.
we... Nov 13 2021, 03:24 PM
JeffBowlsby I have a good colleciotn of these on my webpage. ... Nov 13 2021, 03:39 PM
JeffBowlsby According to my list:
604 is a 1974 1.8L, but I d... Nov 13 2021, 03:49 PM
wonkipop
According to my list:
604 is a 1974 1.8L, but I ... Nov 13 2021, 04:03 PM
wonkipop
According to my list:
604 is a 1974 1.8L, but I ... Nov 13 2021, 07:35 PM
JeffBowlsby
mr. b, whats the little silver sticker under the... Nov 13 2021, 08:46 PM
wonkipop
[quote name='wonkipop' post='2959676' date='Nov 1... Nov 13 2021, 09:06 PM
JeffBowlsby
an EC-A is a frunk can car with the porsche evap... Nov 13 2021, 11:04 PM
wonkipop
an EC-A is a frunk can car with the porsche eva... Nov 14 2021, 12:27 AM
wonkipop i've seen a snatch of footage where you can se... Nov 13 2021, 03:59 PM
wonkipop ok mr. b
mine is an EC-B on that sticker. jan 74... Nov 13 2021, 04:06 PM
StarBear Yep; just checked sticker: EC-B. States “Califor... Nov 13 2021, 05:48 PM
wonkipop
Yep; just checked sticker: EC-B. States “Califo... Nov 13 2021, 06:30 PM
StarBear
i really feel its a batching thing. but thats a... Nov 14 2021, 11:12 AM
StarBear Not sure. JEff’s first post indicates 605 EC-B i... Nov 13 2021, 05:53 PM
wonkipop @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu... Nov 13 2021, 07:23 PM
JeffBowlsby Tellin' yah all I know, which isn't sayin... Nov 13 2021, 08:38 PM
wonkipop mr b
was there any difference between a cali 2.0 ... Nov 13 2021, 09:16 PM
JeffBowlsby A conditional yes. Depends on how ‘engine’ is... Nov 13 2021, 09:45 PM
wonkipop
A conditional yes. Depends on how ‘engine’ i... Nov 14 2021, 12:36 AM
wonkipop fascinating.
there is nothing in the factory manu... Nov 13 2021, 10:23 PM
wonkipop ps
@JeffBowlsby .
i'm still looking at that ... Nov 14 2021, 12:33 AM
JeffBowlsby
ps
[b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.p... Nov 14 2021, 09:22 AM
wonkipop
ps
[b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.... Nov 14 2021, 02:08 PM
wonkipop ok
@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?... Nov 14 2021, 12:51 AM
JeffBowlsby Wonk,
That page from the 75 S&T manual also i... Nov 14 2021, 08:40 AM
wonkipop @JeffBowlsby
mr. b
i found this in factory manu... Nov 14 2021, 01:49 PM
StarBear Here's my engine bay sticker. Clean and clear.... Nov 14 2021, 04:02 PM
JeffBowlsby 1973 1.7L EB code has lower compression, to meet C... Nov 14 2021, 04:26 PM
wonkipop
1973 1.7L EB code has lower compression, to meet ... Nov 15 2021, 02:51 AM
wonkipop
1973 1.7L EB code has lower compression, to meet ... Nov 15 2021, 06:38 AM
JeffBowlsby 914 mysteries continue... Nov 15 2021, 07:27 AM
StarBear Good info. @wonkipop looks like your vin number ... Nov 15 2021, 07:58 AM
wonkipop
Good info. @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/in... Nov 15 2021, 08:17 PM
wonkipop @StarBear .
mine is 13361 for last 5 digits.
[b... Nov 15 2021, 06:23 PM
JeffBowlsby Wow...I think you are on to something. I dont knw... Nov 15 2021, 06:54 PM
StarBear
Wow...I think you are on to something. I dont kn... Nov 15 2021, 09:13 PM
wonkipop
Wow...I think you are on to something. I dont kn... Nov 15 2021, 11:19 PM
StarBear OK; Here are my "unmolested" 1.8L data:
... Nov 16 2021, 09:04 AM
wonkipop @StarBear . distributor superseded PN is handy i... Nov 16 2021, 02:55 PM
StarBear Yep; my TB is original. Curiosity is telling me to... Nov 16 2021, 03:48 PM
wonkipop
Yep; my TB is original. Curiosity is telling me t... Nov 16 2021, 04:36 PM
wonkipop @StarBear & [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com... Nov 17 2021, 02:14 AM
StarBear Awesome investigative work, @wonkipop !
Yep;... Nov 17 2021, 07:21 AM
wonkipop
Awesome investigative work, @[url=http://www.914... Nov 17 2021, 04:47 PM
StarBear Maybe that little “1” I saw was an “L”. Wi... Nov 17 2021, 05:02 PM
wonkipop
Maybe that little “1” I saw was an “L”. W... Nov 17 2021, 05:12 PM
StarBear
Maybe that little “1” I saw was an “L”. ... Nov 17 2021, 08:14 PM
wonkipop something i got to check is i swear i came across ... Nov 17 2021, 05:10 PM
wonkipop i had to reread up how VW parts numbers work again... Nov 17 2021, 09:42 PM
StarBear I wonder if (?) the other letters denote the secon... Nov 18 2021, 07:12 AM
wonkipop
I wonder if (?) the other letters denote the seco... Nov 18 2021, 04:47 PM
wonkipop @StarBear . you are right about letters being man... Nov 19 2021, 10:43 PM
wonkipop @JeffBowlsby .
there are plenty of threads you ca... Nov 19 2021, 10:49 PM
wonkipop @StarBear & [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com... Nov 19 2021, 11:15 PM
wonkipop @StarBear .
further thought on what the H on TB m... Nov 20 2021, 01:10 AM
wonkipop difference between a 74 1.8 throttle body and a 75... Nov 20 2021, 03:10 PM
wonkipop @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu... Nov 20 2021, 04:58 PM
wonkipop a bit more information re EC engines in USA cars.
... Nov 22 2021, 05:49 PM
wonkipop i did some more trawling through older car ads sti... Nov 22 2021, 06:35 PM
wonkipop SUMMARY OF POSITIONS OF VACUUM HOSES BY EXPERTS.
... Nov 22 2021, 10:40 PM
StarBear Hmmmm…. Thinking I should add the two unconnecte... Nov 23 2021, 07:38 AM
wonkipop @StarBear .
depends how fanatical you want to be a... Nov 23 2021, 03:42 PM
StarBear My head and brain hurt….. :blink: Nov 23 2021, 06:59 PM
wonkipop @StarBear - not as much as mine did trying to wor... Nov 23 2021, 07:12 PM
wonkipop @StarBear
here is the quick summary version.
EC... Nov 23 2021, 08:16 PM
StarBear Yep; that sums it up nicely! Interested to see... Nov 24 2021, 07:52 AM
wonkipop
Yep; that sums it up nicely! Interested to se... Nov 24 2021, 02:26 PM
StarBear
[quote name='StarBear' post='2962122' date='Nov 2... Nov 24 2021, 03:12 PM
wonkipop @StarBear .
Found another one that was for sale a... Nov 24 2021, 05:06 PM
StarBear More interesting stuff.
Found the tuneup sticker t... Nov 24 2021, 05:37 PM
JeffBowlsby I dont, sorry. I right click alot and dont recall... Nov 24 2021, 06:00 PM
StarBear
I dont, sorry. I right click alot and dont recal... Nov 24 2021, 06:10 PM
wonkipop
I dont, sorry. I right click alot and dont recal... Nov 24 2021, 08:05 PM
wonkipop they draw both ports on the dizzy diagrams @StarB... Nov 24 2021, 07:56 PM
StarBear A thought- lots of members listing early 74s in th... Nov 24 2021, 08:20 PM
wonkipop
A thought- lots of members listing early 74s in t... Nov 24 2021, 09:11 PM
wonkipop @StarBear
found this. maybe of interest.
don... Nov 25 2021, 05:39 AM
StarBear Interesting. Good idea with the new thread; maybe ... Nov 25 2021, 07:46 AM
wonkipop another good one i found digging back into sales a... Nov 25 2021, 05:26 PM
wonkipop @JeffBowlsby
free first service card.
i gu... Nov 25 2021, 05:40 PM
wonkipop firm confirmation of plumbing to engine bay charco... Nov 25 2021, 05:53 PM
wonkipop 14 jan 74 car at top of page is exactly same as mi... Nov 25 2021, 07:57 PM
wonkipop @JeffBowlsby
after all the info came in from mem... Dec 16 2021, 04:23 PM
JeffBowlsby @wonkipop
Wonki...Your research is exhaustive, a... Dec 16 2021, 05:27 PM
StarBear
[b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s... Dec 17 2021, 09:23 AM
wonkipop its still a bit of a speculation.
its hard to get... Dec 16 2021, 07:32 PM
Van B Strangely enough I have two distinct thoughts as I... Dec 16 2021, 07:52 PM
JeffBowlsby The center console /gauges were just an optional e... Dec 17 2021, 01:03 AM![]() ![]() |
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