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> VW/Audi/ Porsche Cargo ship blaze, Crew has been rescued / Ship + cargo loss
Maltese Falcon
post Feb 17 2022, 03:59 PM
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Just checked this news out today...Cargo ship in the Atlantic looks like a huge loss of Porsche, Audi & VW's. Crew has been rescued...looks like a total loss and an Eco mess for now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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Van B
post Feb 19 2022, 06:46 PM
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What I would really like to see are electrical powered vehicles that rely on capacitors and fossil fuel powered generators.
A discharged capacitor poses no risk, and an engine attached to a generator can be tuned for absolute maximum efficiency since it only needs to run at one RPM.
This is the way.
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post Feb 20 2022, 09:44 AM
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QUOTE(Van B @ Feb 19 2022, 07:46 PM) *

What I would really like to see are electrical powered vehicles that rely on capacitors and fossil fuel powered generators.
A discharged capacitor poses no risk, and an engine attached to a generator can be tuned for absolute maximum efficiency since it only needs to run at one RPM.
This is the way.


What you've proposed is basically a hybrid arrangment.

The way you know this isn't about the environment is because Hybrids have been completely excluded from the conversation in favor of EV's with no explanation of where the electricity will come from, the supply limitations of the rare earth metals needed to produce them, or the environmental wastelands created by mining them.

Not picking on 930cabman in my comment above. Everyone talks about limited supply of fossil fuel but not a peep about supply limitations on the raw materials for EVs? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)
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post Feb 20 2022, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE(Van B @ Feb 19 2022, 07:46 PM) *

What I would really like to see are electrical powered vehicles that rely on capacitors and fossil fuel powered generators.
A discharged capacitor poses no risk, and an engine attached to a generator can be tuned for absolute maximum efficiency since it only needs to run at one RPM.
This is the way.


What you've proposed is basically a hybrid arrangment.

The way you know this isn't about the environment is because Hybrids have been completely excluded from the conversation in favor of EV's with no explanation of where the electricity will come from, the supply limitations of the rare earth metals needed to produce them, or the environmental wastelands created by mining them.

Not picking on 930cabman in my comment above. Everyone talks about limited supply of fossil fuel but not a peep about supply limitations on the raw materials for EVs? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)

I was waiting for you to join in!
Hybrid in a literally sense, yes. But the lexicon has defined a hybrid as a fossil fuel driven power train with electric augmentation or backup. I think changing the role of a petrol engine exclusively to a generator i.e. disconnecting it from locomotion, is significant enough to warrant a change in terms. I propose we call them Juice Boxes! Because they make their own juice lol!
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post Feb 20 2022, 11:18 AM
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QUOTE(Van B @ Feb 20 2022, 11:28 AM) *

I think changing the role of a petrol engine exclusively to a generator i.e. disconnecting it from locomotion, is significant enough to warrant a change in terms. I propose we call them Juice Boxes! Because they make their own juice lol!


We basically had this with the GM Volt. Initially when Volt was announced, your vision was the concept. In production, there was some minor details in the Volt architecture that kept this from being true in the absolute sense. However, the GM control strategy was primarily to run EV mode and then fire the engine/generator as needed to maintain battery SOC. It was a viable EV solution for long range trips where stopping every 300 miles for "fast charging" wasn't necessary. Yes, in long range trips there was some mechanical connection of the ICE motor to the secondary EV motor so not pure electric generation driving on long haul trips . . . but . . . come on, it worked great as EV on short trips and didn't suffer long range trip anxiety and need for repeated stopping to charge.

https://www.popsci.com/cars/article/2010-12...ing-chevy-volt/

Strangely, the market didn't want them yet, in part, due to cost premium over similar ICE vehicles. The virtue signaling crowd didn't want them because they weren't pure EV's and utilized fossil fuel on long trips. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Crazy world.
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post Feb 20 2022, 11:47 AM
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QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Feb 20 2022, 11:18 AM) *

QUOTE(Van B @ Feb 20 2022, 11:28 AM) *

I think changing the role of a petrol engine exclusively to a generator i.e. disconnecting it from locomotion, is significant enough to warrant a change in terms. I propose we call them Juice Boxes! Because they make their own juice lol!


We basically had this with the GM Volt. There was some minor details in the Volt architecture that kept this from being true in the absolute sense. However, the GM control strategy was primarily to run EV mode and then fire the engine/generator as needed to maintain battery SOC. It was a viable EV solution for long range trips where stopping every 300 miles for "fast charging" wasn't necessary.

Strangely, the market didn't want them yet. The virtue signaling crowd didn't want them because they weren't pure EV's and utilized fossil fuel to generate the electricity on long trips. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Crazy world.


correct about the virtue signalling crowd. its a moral position.
that carbon dioxide continues to be referred to as carbon tells you all you need to know.
my dinner party quip is always - but we are a carbon based life form.
gets blank stares.

the fuel question will end up being an accounting one.
you will purchase carbon dioxide credits in a worse case scenario - at least for our life times.

i would love to have the kind of vehicle van suggests.
and if i had to i'd send my 914 over to texas and have clay perrine install an APU.
just so i could set a particular poodle on fire with the exhaust -- said poodle travels on the end of a leash connected to a woman that walks past my studio door with her fingers plugging her nose while i am warming up the 914. i think she is trying to say she finds the smell of hydrocarbons offensive. i'm going to take up cigar smoking soon to augment the vapours in sympathy.

gentleman, start your APUs.

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that carbon dioxide continues to be referred to as carbon tells you all you need to know.
my dinner party quip is always - but we are a carbon based life form.
gets blank stares.



Next time, double down on it, tell them your against dihydrogen oxide and that they should be too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)
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QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Feb 20 2022, 12:14 PM) *

QUOTE(wonkipop @ Feb 20 2022, 12:47 PM) *


that carbon dioxide continues to be referred to as carbon tells you all you need to know.
my dinner party quip is always - but we are a carbon based life form.
gets blank stares.



Next time, double down on it, tell them your against dihydrogen oxide and that they should be too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)


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Maltese Falcon   VW/Audi/ Porsche Cargo ship blaze   Feb 17 2022, 03:59 PM
Big Len   The fire reportedly started in the cargo hold. Per...   Feb 17 2022, 04:16 PM
Van B   The fire reportedly started in the cargo hold. Pe...   Feb 17 2022, 05:21 PM
wonkipop   The fire reportedly started in the cargo hold. P...   Feb 17 2022, 05:29 PM
Shivers   From the smoke I'd say it is some of those cle...   Feb 17 2022, 04:32 PM
Maltese Falcon   Imagine the fire risk with our 914s transatlantic...   Feb 17 2022, 04:45 PM
NARP74   As if a Porsche was not expensive enough right now...   Feb 17 2022, 04:51 PM
Ansbacher   Knowing Porsche, they will probably be marketing t...   Feb 17 2022, 04:56 PM
Root_Werks   Glad the crew got off safe, what a mess for the en...   Feb 17 2022, 04:59 PM
914e   How often does a car cargo ship sink? This is the ...   Feb 17 2022, 05:32 PM
wonkipop   How often does a car cargo ship sink? This is the...   Feb 17 2022, 10:18 PM
bkrantz   Is this one of them supply chain things?   Feb 17 2022, 09:45 PM
mate914   Is this one of them supply chain things? Sure is...   Feb 18 2022, 07:17 AM
horizontally-opposed   The great news is they got the crew off the vessel...   Feb 17 2022, 11:35 PM
mate914   Look at the water line on the ship. I think that s...   Feb 18 2022, 08:38 AM
lesorubcheek   Look at the water line on the ship. I think that ...   Feb 18 2022, 12:25 PM
wonkipop   Look at the water line on the ship. I think that...   Feb 18 2022, 01:20 PM
Jamie   [quote name='lesorubcheek' post='2982577' date='F...   Feb 18 2022, 02:03 PM
NARP74   Companies are privately chartering ships to bypass...   Feb 18 2022, 11:21 AM
TomE   That could be a stock picture. Glad the crew is of...   Feb 18 2022, 01:04 PM
Big Len   Location is near the Azores off the coast of Portu...   Feb 18 2022, 02:12 PM
beech4rd   Location is near the Azores off the coast of Port...   Feb 18 2022, 04:37 PM
wonkipop   slightly OT but related. did some consultancy wor...   Feb 18 2022, 04:49 PM
wonkipop   aftermath. won't be anything salvaged off ...   Feb 18 2022, 09:44 PM
Van B   Those burned out sides, yeah, that was ship steel....   Feb 18 2022, 11:25 PM
mate914   It reminds me just how much the elitist want every...   Feb 19 2022, 06:50 AM
Shivers   It reminds me just how much the elitist want ever...   Feb 19 2022, 07:21 AM
Van B   It reminds me just how much the elitist want eve...   Feb 19 2022, 10:20 AM
Shivers   [quote name='Shivers' post='2982751' date='Feb 19...   Feb 19 2022, 10:37 AM
914sgofast2   [quote name='Shivers' post='2982751' date='Feb 19...   Feb 19 2022, 12:52 PM
Craigers17   Hydrogen fuel cells produce electricity by combini...   Feb 19 2022, 04:21 PM
Van B   Hydrogen fuel cells produce electricity by combin...   Feb 19 2022, 04:49 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='Craigers17' date='Feb 19...   Feb 19 2022, 05:08 PM
wonkipop   Hydrogen fuel cells produce electricity by combin...   Feb 19 2022, 04:57 PM
wonkipop   It reminds me just how much the elitist want eve...   Feb 19 2022, 04:46 PM
ClayPerrine   It reminds me just how much the elitist want ever...   Feb 19 2022, 06:15 PM
Van B   :lol4: :rotfl: You’re such a troll!!...   Feb 19 2022, 11:41 AM
StarBear   A lot of lithium in CA but still years away. Likew...   Feb 19 2022, 05:04 PM
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raynekat   I've got a new Porsche coming right now on a d...   Feb 19 2022, 05:36 PM
930cabman   Can I keep my gas powered vehicles? seems like an ...   Feb 19 2022, 06:40 PM
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Van B   What I would really like to see are electrical pow...   Feb 19 2022, 06:46 PM
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ClayPerrine   [quote name='lesorubcheek' post='2982967' date='...   Feb 20 2022, 09:08 AM
Superhawk996   Yes, I know it increases unsprung weight. But...   Feb 20 2022, 09:52 AM
Superhawk996   What I would really like to see are electrical po...   Feb 20 2022, 09:44 AM
Van B   What I would really like to see are electrical p...   Feb 20 2022, 10:28 AM
Superhawk996   I think changing the role of a petrol engine excl...   Feb 20 2022, 11:18 AM
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Superhawk996   that carbon dioxide continues to be referred to ...   Feb 20 2022, 12:14 PM
wonkipop   that carbon dioxide continues to be referred to...   Feb 20 2022, 12:27 PM
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vitamin914   How 'bout a Stirling engine driving a generato...   Feb 20 2022, 11:36 AM
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