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> OT Porsche should have used Aluminum
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post Mar 27 2022, 05:19 PM
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It's timeless. On the left of the weld is original 550 Spyder aluminum from 54-55, on the right is brand new aluminum, hard to tell a difference!


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post Mar 29 2022, 06:50 AM
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Man, hard crowd to please. As I offer my "opinion" I'll also post a couple pictures of my "proof of work" to show that I have at least a little experience that formed the basis of my opinion. I built a concept tank for a Norton Cafe out of aluminum. This tank was pressure tested. There were something like 12 or 13 panels that were used to fabricate this tank.

First off, I'm with @mb911 , great to see an old car being saved. That is the top priority. I'm only jealous that I don't get to play with 550's. I'm also jealous that I still can't lay that stack of dimes look on aluminum consistently like the previous picture.

On the subject of OxyAcetylene welding, lest we forget, much of the welding on the aluminum components and fuel & oil tanks for airplanes of WW2 was Oxyacetylene. Not as pretty as TIG but 100% functional.

OxyHydrogen would be nice but let's be honest, most of us don't have hydrogen sitting around the garage. I had no issues with soot contamination. Flux, and proper flame setting take care of that.

The weld appearance doesn't really matter as long as there is 100% fusion through the panel and the finished weld sits proud of the surface. As previously noted, it will be leveled off flush with the surrounding metal prior to paint.

In my experience, OxyAcetylene left less porosity and was easier to polish since it didn't leave the cleaned margins that TIG left. I found that OxyAcetylene left an invisible weld seam. TIG did not. I'll chalk that up to my poor TIG skills and/or ability to fine tune the AC cleaning of my Lincoln Precision TIG equipment. Invisibility of the weld seam on a 550 is moot, since it will be painted. Invisibility of the seam is very important on a bare polished tank.

Here is top view of the tank as well as the bottom welds that look . . . well, not as pretty.

So this is for all you guys with OxyAcetylene sitting around. Don't think you need TIG to do welding on Aluminum. Get the proper size tips (0, 00, 000), get the proper flux, proper goggles, then get out there and go weld some aluminum. Any technique you learn with heat and filler rod control will only help later on if/when you move on to TIG.

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QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Mar 29 2022, 05:50 AM) *


So this is for all you guys with OxyAcetylene sitting around. Don't think you need TIG to do welding on Aluminum. Get the proper size tips (0, 00, 000), get the proper flux, proper goggles, then get out there and go weld some aluminum. Any technique you learn with heat and filler rod control will only help later on if/when you move on to TIG.



Thank You. Do you pre-heat the aluminum like cast iron?




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Thank You. Do you pre-heat the aluminum like cast iron?


No. Not for sheet aluminum.
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Thank You. Do you pre-heat the aluminum like cast iron?


No. Not for sheet aluminum.


Thanks, What about something heavier? 1/4"
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QUOTE(Shivers @ Mar 29 2022, 12:07 PM) *


Thank You. Do you pre-heat the aluminum like cast iron?


No. Not for sheet aluminum.


Thanks, What about something heavier? 1/4"


I'll defer to @mb911 on aluminum stuff that thick. Out of my league. I've not tried to OxyAcetylene weld aluminum that thick. About the thickest I've done is about 3/16" aluminum and even then it was a small sized part that quickly heat saturates.

My gut says you'll have to V-notch that, preheat that, and probably need multiple passes. Aluminum transfers heat really well. As a result, it will take an awful lot of heat to get 100% penetration on 1/4" aluminum. I suspect TIG would have advantage here due to the precise concentration of heat vs. more distributed flame of OxyAcetylene.
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Unobtanium-inc   OT Porsche should have used Aluminum   Mar 27 2022, 05:19 PM
mb911   Oxy welded aluminum ?   Mar 27 2022, 06:06 PM
Unobtanium-inc   Oxy welded aluminum ? This was TIG   Mar 27 2022, 07:14 PM
Brett W   Oxy/hydrogen is perfect for this situation. Much ...   Mar 28 2022, 07:17 PM
carr914   that weld looks like ass   Mar 29 2022, 03:44 AM
Unobtanium-inc   that weld looks like ass With that attitude, the...   Mar 29 2022, 07:56 AM
mb911   I have been teaching welding at a college level fo...   Mar 29 2022, 05:49 AM
Superhawk996   Man, hard crowd to please. As I offer my "op...   Mar 29 2022, 06:50 AM
Shivers   So this is for all you guys with OxyAcetylene si...   Mar 29 2022, 10:07 AM
Superhawk996   Thank You. Do you pre-heat the aluminum like cas...   Mar 29 2022, 10:11 AM
Shivers   Thank You. Do you pre-heat the aluminum like ca...   Mar 29 2022, 01:03 PM
Superhawk996   [quote name='Shivers' post='2991545' date='Mar 2...   Mar 29 2022, 04:09 PM
mb911   [quote name='Shivers' post='2991575' date='Mar 29...   Mar 29 2022, 07:21 PM
Unobtanium-inc   I can see you guys walking up to a 550 in 1956 aft...   Mar 29 2022, 07:34 AM
mb911   I can see you guys walking up to a 550 in 1956 af...   Mar 29 2022, 10:45 AM
Superhawk996   :headbanger: that has to be so cool to see those...   Mar 29 2022, 07:49 AM
Puebloswatcop   Unobtanium, Pay no attention to nay sayers. Hell...   Mar 29 2022, 08:02 AM
Root_Werks   Working with aluminum is hard, I've only welde...   Mar 29 2022, 08:59 AM
Brett W   The factory probably gas welded those. It is a ...   Mar 29 2022, 09:43 AM
mepstein   The process isn’t irrelevant. Maybe if you are m...   Mar 29 2022, 10:46 AM
Unobtanium-inc   Maybe if you are mounting the part to a wall but ...   Mar 29 2022, 10:52 AM
lesorubcheek   550s are amazing. Thanks for sharing and, I'll...   Mar 29 2022, 11:04 AM
mb911   550s are amazing. Thanks for sharing and, I'l...   Mar 29 2022, 11:24 AM
Root_Werks   Wait, wasn't the 928 essentially an aluminum b...   Mar 29 2022, 12:04 PM
mb911   Wait, wasn't the 928 essentially an aluminum ...   Mar 29 2022, 12:34 PM
Unobtanium-inc   Wait, wasn't the 928 essentially an aluminum ...   Mar 29 2022, 12:38 PM
Shivers   I had read the unibody was steel, hood, fenders, d...   Mar 29 2022, 01:10 PM
mb911   I had read the unibody was steel, hood, fenders, ...   Mar 29 2022, 02:47 PM
PCH   When you're finished with your car, I'm ha...   Mar 29 2022, 05:25 PM
Unobtanium-inc   Here are some shots of the fender off of 0054, whi...   Mar 29 2022, 07:53 PM
Brett W   Wray has a ton of skills. I am looking forward ...   Apr 1 2022, 12:37 PM
Unobtanium-inc   Wray has a ton of skills. I am looking forward...   Apr 1 2022, 01:54 PM
carr914   that weld looks like ass With that attitude, th...   Mar 30 2022, 03:35 AM
Unobtanium-inc   [quote name='Unobtanium-inc' post='2991515' ...   Mar 30 2022, 05:37 AM
carr914   oh there was a reason - it's called a Micro Ma...   Mar 30 2022, 11:27 AM
Unobtanium-inc   oh there was a reason - it's called a Micro M...   Mar 30 2022, 11:44 AM
rhodyguy   Chill guys.   Mar 30 2022, 11:56 AM
930cabman   Lets try to tone it down there boys, the sandbox i...   Mar 30 2022, 11:56 AM
MM1   Thank you for posting such rare treats as the patc...   Apr 1 2022, 02:26 PM
MM1   May I make a humble suggestion? I believe that d...   Apr 1 2022, 02:33 PM
MM1   Nice job on that tank, @Superhawk996 !   Apr 1 2022, 02:35 PM
Front yard mechanic   All my welds look like bird shit ... I'm proud...   Apr 1 2022, 03:52 PM
930cabman   Hats off to the guys who put these together close ...   Apr 1 2022, 04:49 PM
Unobtanium-inc   Hats off to the guys who put these together close...   Apr 2 2022, 04:59 PM
rgalla9146   All welding comments aside.... I don't underst...   Apr 1 2022, 07:51 PM
Unobtanium-inc   All welding comments aside.... I don't unders...   Apr 2 2022, 04:54 PM
MM1   Agreed - a title edit couldn’t hurt this 550 thr...   Apr 1 2022, 09:53 PM
oakdalecurtis   Don’t leave your Belgian Malinois dog home alone...   Apr 1 2022, 10:13 PM
930cabman   Perhaps you need to feed the puppy more often. OU...   Apr 2 2022, 05:53 AM
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SirAndy   Some one got their panties all bunched up. Do yo...   Apr 2 2022, 10:25 AM
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MM1   OT-I have a (professional automotive design) scan ...   Apr 2 2022, 09:30 PM
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