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> "Trailer-hitching" bucking problem, Rapid detrioration from running perfectly
boxster914
post Apr 12 2022, 11:18 AM
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Hi everyone

My perfectly running 71 914 1.7 D-jet has deteriorated rapidly this past week.

Early in the week I noticed what felt like a power drop out during a drive. It was very slight and only happened once and I wasn't sure I didn't cause it by unconciously lifting off the gas.

The next drive it happened a few times and was more pronounced. It was then that I knew this wasn't an imagined problem.

On the third drive it was like a bucking bronco, surging and stopping and the engine cut out a few times. It was undriveable.

Today it will start but won't run. The engine cuts out when I try to rev it and the red light comes on.

I've done some searching here but haven't been able to draw any conclusions or come up with an actionable strategy to diagnose the problem. I'm seeing people trace it to spark plug wires, air fuel ratios and bad distributors.

Is there a step-by-step process that you can recommend for me to get to the cause of this? (I'm a newb so I probably will need help with abbreviations like AFR, TPS, etc.)

Here is a video of it's rough idle yesterday when it was still running.

https://youtu.be/n61CP6O8UgM

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post Apr 12 2022, 06:41 PM
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thanks for putting up that video.

its hunting as its trying to idle.
i'd go looking carefully over fuel first.
check the filter.
check the fuel pressure if you have a guage and can do it easily.

i've got a similar thing mine does when it gets warmer here.
and its sounds just like that.
i think in part is due to having a rhd car. took me a long time to work out what it was.
without going into detail too much what happens is my fuel overheats due to the very small volume of fuel in the circuit (the bulb at bottom of tank is way smaller in a rhd car).
combined with a new fuel pump in original position it can cause bubbling in the lines etc and fuel starvation. fill the tank up to halfway and its gone just like that. only in hot weather. but its exactly that kind of hunting.
so i would go there first. not saying your problem is that, but not getting adequate fuel through will do something very similar.

an air leak in a L jet will also give you that but tends to go up and down in revs a bit more than that. not really in the know about d jets and air leaks etc.

but that sure sounds like fuel issue from your vid.

it could be that its got clogged injectors, but the only way to know for sure is to pull them and get them tested. maybe leave that until a bit further along.

good luck with it.

stay methodical.

all other suggestions above are correct.
just go through everything one thing at a time.
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post Apr 12 2022, 07:24 PM
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QUOTE(wonkipop @ Apr 12 2022, 05:41 PM) *

thanks for putting up that video.

its hunting as its trying to idle.
i'd go looking carefully over fuel first.
check the filter.
check the fuel pressure if you have a guage and can do it easily.

i've got a similar thing mine does when it gets warmer here.
and its sounds just like that.
i think in part is due to having a rhd car. took me a long time to work out what it was.
without going into detail too much what happens is my fuel overheats due to the very small volume of fuel in the circuit (the bulb at bottom of tank is way smaller in a rhd car).
combined with a new fuel pump in original position it can cause bubbling in the lines etc and fuel starvation. fill the tank up to halfway and its gone just like that. only in hot weather. but its exactly that kind of hunting.
so i would go there first. not saying your problem is that, but not getting adequate fuel through will do something very similar.

an air leak in a L jet will also give you that but tends to go up and down in revs a bit more than that. not really in the know about d jets and air leaks etc.

but that sure sounds like fuel issue from your vid.

it could be that its got clogged injectors, but the only way to know for sure is to pull them and get them tested. maybe leave that until a bit further along.

good luck with it.

stay methodical.

all other suggestions above are correct.
just go through everything one thing at a time.

Hi wonkipop. My '74 2.0 with FI is having the same symptoms boxster914 and you have described. You're reminding me that I've observed very small bubbles in my fuel line. Here's what happened: I replaced the fuel filter which of course drained the line to the engine, so I wanted to purge the fuel line of trapped air. I separated the fuel line at the cold start valve and attached a clear tygon line which I put it into a clear jar, then bumped the fuel pump (by turning ignition on and off). I could see bubbles traveling through the tygon tubing, which I expected. Thing is, I repeatedly turned the fuel pump on and off and I continued to get very fine bubbles in the line.

I'm in California where the ambient temp is around 75. The car has a 2 port fuel pump installed below the fuel tank. The missing happens when the car is warming up so I don't think this is a fuel heating up issue. I'm wondering if I have some sort of leak in the fuel line, something that's letting air in but no fuel out as far as I can tell?

By the way, the tank is near full and I verified fuel pressure is correct and does not fluctuate when the missing occurs.
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boxster914   "Trailer-hitching" bucking problem   Apr 12 2022, 11:18 AM
krazykonrad   I had a very similar issue. After much poking abou...   Apr 12 2022, 11:49 AM
BillJ   Start with fuel filter? Sounds like a progressive...   Apr 12 2022, 12:18 PM
Root_Werks   Start with fuel filter? Sounds like a progressiv...   Apr 12 2022, 01:05 PM
boxster914   Start with fuel filter? Sounds like a progressi...   Apr 12 2022, 07:52 PM
930cabman   Start with fuel filter? Sounds like a progressiv...   Apr 12 2022, 01:58 PM
Lockwodo   Hi everyone My perfectly running 71 914 1.7 D-je...   Apr 12 2022, 12:32 PM
ClayPerrine   "and the red light comes on." Which red...   Apr 12 2022, 01:00 PM
Lockwodo   "and the red light comes on." Which re...   Apr 12 2022, 01:30 PM
mepstein   Also check all the grounds. Easy to do and while y...   Apr 12 2022, 01:49 PM
Lockwodo   Also check all the grounds. Easy to do and while ...   Apr 12 2022, 01:53 PM
BillJ   Everything he described could be due to a clogged ...   Apr 12 2022, 02:51 PM
boxster914   You guys are awesome! My weekend of detective...   Apr 12 2022, 03:48 PM
Lockwodo   You guys are awesome! My weekend of detectiv...   Apr 12 2022, 05:06 PM
boxster914   You guys are awesome! My weekend of detecti...   Apr 12 2022, 07:43 PM
mgphoto   Clean and check the FI points in the base of the d...   Apr 12 2022, 03:49 PM
mgphoto   Clean and check the FI points in the base of the ...   May 1 2022, 10:06 AM
Lockwodo   Clean and check the FI points in the base of the...   May 1 2022, 10:53 AM
mgphoto   [quote name='mgphoto' post='2998850' date='May 1 ...   May 1 2022, 02:02 PM
Lockwodo   [quote name='mgphoto' post='2994793' date='Apr 12...   May 24 2022, 07:17 AM
Ansbacher   Check all the wire connections to the coil. Make ...   Apr 12 2022, 05:49 PM
wonkipop   thanks for putting up that video. its hunting as ...   Apr 12 2022, 06:41 PM
Lockwodo   thanks for putting up that video. its hunting as...   Apr 12 2022, 07:24 PM
wonkipop   thanks for putting up that video. its hunting a...   Apr 12 2022, 07:52 PM
r_towle   https://members.rennlist.com/pbanders/DJetParts.ht...   Apr 12 2022, 06:46 PM
emerygt350   If it approached this point gradually, start with ...   Apr 12 2022, 07:09 PM
wonkipop   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Apr 13 2022, 12:18 AM
Lockwodo   Thanks Boxster914, very helpful to have the manual...   Apr 13 2022, 08:03 AM
wonkipop   Thanks Boxster914, very helpful to have the manua...   Apr 13 2022, 08:51 AM
BillJ   This exact behavior happened twice in my 75. Went...   Apr 13 2022, 09:23 AM
Root_Werks   This exact behavior happened twice in my 75. Wen...   Apr 13 2022, 09:47 AM
Jamie   This exact behavior happened twice in my 75. We...   Apr 13 2022, 09:58 AM
Lockwodo   This exact behavior happened twice in my 75. Wen...   Apr 13 2022, 11:16 AM
rhodyguy   Could the tank well for the supply be filled with ...   Apr 13 2022, 09:46 AM
DRPHIL914   lots of good advice here already, if the fuel pre...   Apr 13 2022, 11:56 AM
emerygt350   lots of good advice here already, if the fuel pr...   Apr 13 2022, 02:48 PM
Lockwodo   lots of good advice here already, if the fuel pr...   Apr 14 2022, 06:27 PM
DRPHIL914   lots of good advice here already, if the fuel p...   Apr 18 2022, 08:09 AM
BillJ   Sounds like fuel delivery to the rail is fine. Go...   Apr 13 2022, 12:30 PM
wonkipop   ok fuels good. ignition system next. check the ...   Apr 13 2022, 03:32 PM
Lockwodo   Yes indeed. Note to boxster914: I hope my car ...   Apr 13 2022, 06:28 PM
boxster914   Thank you all for your input (and @lockwodo I ap...   Apr 14 2022, 08:28 AM
Dave_Darling   On a D-Jet car, the hesitation that happens when t...   Apr 14 2022, 01:31 PM
boxster914   OK so I have some results to report on. I changed...   Apr 17 2022, 08:39 PM
wonkipop   if its anything like a L jet, its the vac retard l...   Apr 17 2022, 09:17 PM
wonkipop   i was just reading back through your thread @boxs...   Apr 17 2022, 10:04 PM
emerygt350   What year is it again? Is that an egr?   Apr 18 2022, 05:04 AM
rjames   The vacuum hose goes to the retard port of the thr...   Apr 18 2022, 07:44 AM
emerygt350   The vacuum hose goes to the retard port of the th...   Apr 18 2022, 01:22 PM
wonkipop   The vacuum hose goes to the retard port of the t...   Apr 18 2022, 06:01 PM
ClayPerrine   Have you checked the little ground wire that is in...   Apr 18 2022, 01:26 PM
Garland   :wttc:   Apr 18 2022, 04:05 PM
Lockwodo   Clay: I'll check the ground wire in the disty...   Apr 18 2022, 06:41 PM
boxster914   I have more data to report on this issue. The car...   Apr 28 2022, 05:18 PM
Lockwodo   I have more data to report on this issue. The ca...   Apr 29 2022, 06:57 AM
wonkipop   I have more data to report on this issue. The ca...   Apr 29 2022, 08:24 PM
emerygt350   Interesting! All kinds of badness can result ...   Apr 29 2022, 04:25 AM
ChrisFoley   The clamp on the positive cable appears pretty tir...   Apr 29 2022, 04:43 AM
boxster914   Yes @wonkipop the wires did seem tight to me. I ...   Apr 30 2022, 04:01 PM
wonkipop   Yes [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index....   Apr 30 2022, 06:08 PM
Lockwodo   I've come to believe that battery cables shoul...   Apr 30 2022, 05:41 PM
boxster914   Thank you all for your input. Thank you @lockwod...   May 1 2022, 08:26 AM
Lockwodo   Thank you all for your input. Thank you [b]@[ur...   May 1 2022, 09:36 AM
ChrisFoley   I remember having trouble with old Crane optical s...   May 2 2022, 04:12 AM
mgphoto   Glad it worked out.   May 24 2022, 04:30 PM


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