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> "Trailer-hitching" bucking problem, Rapid detrioration from running perfectly
boxster914
post Apr 12 2022, 11:18 AM
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Hi everyone

My perfectly running 71 914 1.7 D-jet has deteriorated rapidly this past week.

Early in the week I noticed what felt like a power drop out during a drive. It was very slight and only happened once and I wasn't sure I didn't cause it by unconciously lifting off the gas.

The next drive it happened a few times and was more pronounced. It was then that I knew this wasn't an imagined problem.

On the third drive it was like a bucking bronco, surging and stopping and the engine cut out a few times. It was undriveable.

Today it will start but won't run. The engine cuts out when I try to rev it and the red light comes on.

I've done some searching here but haven't been able to draw any conclusions or come up with an actionable strategy to diagnose the problem. I'm seeing people trace it to spark plug wires, air fuel ratios and bad distributors.

Is there a step-by-step process that you can recommend for me to get to the cause of this? (I'm a newb so I probably will need help with abbreviations like AFR, TPS, etc.)

Here is a video of it's rough idle yesterday when it was still running.

https://youtu.be/n61CP6O8UgM

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post Apr 13 2022, 11:56 AM
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lots of good advice here already, if the fuel pressure is constant its probably not a blocked line or filter.
the hunting issue makes me think its running lean, but the missing makes me think more on the lines of intermittent short, like bad grounds or loose FI grounds, i had this happen 2x and now my ground wires for the FI are fastened securely to the spade connector thats on the back of the engine case bolt. check that. also - if its on acceleration the TPS could be an issue so you can unplug that to take it out of the equation, also take the cover off of it to chec the TPS board for wear, corrosion etc.
next item is the MPS- ihve had several fail we can go over that later. Go back to the distributor , there is a trigger points plate that fires the injector pulses and those need to be checked and cleaned , and inside your distributor the ground strap could be worn and shorting as well, so check these items and get back to us.
you can test each of these items so get your multi meter out. and vac test the MPS>


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post Apr 14 2022, 06:27 PM
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QUOTE(DRPHIL914 @ Apr 13 2022, 10:56 AM) *

lots of good advice here already, if the fuel pressure is constant its probably not a blocked line or filter.
the hunting issue makes me think its running lean, but the missing makes me think more on the lines of intermittent short, like bad grounds or loose FI grounds, i had this happen 2x and now my ground wires for the FI are fastened securely to the spade connector thats on the back of the engine case bolt. check that. also - if its on acceleration the TPS could be an issue so you can unplug that to take it out of the equation, also take the cover off of it to chec the TPS board for wear, corrosion etc.
next item is the MPS- ihve had several fail we can go over that later. Go back to the distributor , there is a trigger points plate that fires the injector pulses and those need to be checked and cleaned , and inside your distributor the ground strap could be worn and shorting as well, so check these items and get back to us.
you can test each of these items so get your multi meter out. and vac test the MPS>


Phil -

I recently replaced the TPS board and calibrated it. Disconnecting the electrical connector to the TPS doesn't affect the missing issue at all, so the missing isn't due to the TPS.

I did some tests on the MPS today and here is what I found: 95 ohms resistance between terminals 7 and 15, 340 ohms resistance between terminals 8 and 10, and no continuity between the coils and the case of the MPS. All good so far. Then I hooked a vacuum pump to the MPS sensing port and pulled 10 inches of vacuum. After one minute, the vacuum had dropped to 7 inches of mercury, then to 6 inches after a total of 2 minutes, then to 5 inches after a total of 9 minutes, where it seems to level off.

So the resistance numbers are in spec, but is the vacuum loss over time acceptable? I understand that even if the vacuum loss is acceptable, the MPS can still have a defective aneroid cell. What do you think? Perhaps not worth testing it further at this time.

I'm working on the ground points and distributor next.
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boxster914   "Trailer-hitching" bucking problem   Apr 12 2022, 11:18 AM
krazykonrad   I had a very similar issue. After much poking abou...   Apr 12 2022, 11:49 AM
BillJ   Start with fuel filter? Sounds like a progressive...   Apr 12 2022, 12:18 PM
Root_Werks   Start with fuel filter? Sounds like a progressiv...   Apr 12 2022, 01:05 PM
boxster914   Start with fuel filter? Sounds like a progressi...   Apr 12 2022, 07:52 PM
930cabman   Start with fuel filter? Sounds like a progressiv...   Apr 12 2022, 01:58 PM
Lockwodo   Hi everyone My perfectly running 71 914 1.7 D-je...   Apr 12 2022, 12:32 PM
ClayPerrine   "and the red light comes on." Which red...   Apr 12 2022, 01:00 PM
Lockwodo   "and the red light comes on." Which re...   Apr 12 2022, 01:30 PM
mepstein   Also check all the grounds. Easy to do and while y...   Apr 12 2022, 01:49 PM
Lockwodo   Also check all the grounds. Easy to do and while ...   Apr 12 2022, 01:53 PM
BillJ   Everything he described could be due to a clogged ...   Apr 12 2022, 02:51 PM
boxster914   You guys are awesome! My weekend of detective...   Apr 12 2022, 03:48 PM
Lockwodo   You guys are awesome! My weekend of detectiv...   Apr 12 2022, 05:06 PM
boxster914   You guys are awesome! My weekend of detecti...   Apr 12 2022, 07:43 PM
mgphoto   Clean and check the FI points in the base of the d...   Apr 12 2022, 03:49 PM
mgphoto   Clean and check the FI points in the base of the ...   May 1 2022, 10:06 AM
Lockwodo   Clean and check the FI points in the base of the...   May 1 2022, 10:53 AM
mgphoto   [quote name='mgphoto' post='2998850' date='May 1 ...   May 1 2022, 02:02 PM
Lockwodo   [quote name='mgphoto' post='2994793' date='Apr 12...   May 24 2022, 07:17 AM
Ansbacher   Check all the wire connections to the coil. Make ...   Apr 12 2022, 05:49 PM
wonkipop   thanks for putting up that video. its hunting as ...   Apr 12 2022, 06:41 PM
Lockwodo   thanks for putting up that video. its hunting as...   Apr 12 2022, 07:24 PM
wonkipop   thanks for putting up that video. its hunting a...   Apr 12 2022, 07:52 PM
r_towle   https://members.rennlist.com/pbanders/DJetParts.ht...   Apr 12 2022, 06:46 PM
emerygt350   If it approached this point gradually, start with ...   Apr 12 2022, 07:09 PM
wonkipop   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Apr 13 2022, 12:18 AM
Lockwodo   Thanks Boxster914, very helpful to have the manual...   Apr 13 2022, 08:03 AM
wonkipop   Thanks Boxster914, very helpful to have the manua...   Apr 13 2022, 08:51 AM
BillJ   This exact behavior happened twice in my 75. Went...   Apr 13 2022, 09:23 AM
Root_Werks   This exact behavior happened twice in my 75. Wen...   Apr 13 2022, 09:47 AM
Jamie   This exact behavior happened twice in my 75. We...   Apr 13 2022, 09:58 AM
Lockwodo   This exact behavior happened twice in my 75. Wen...   Apr 13 2022, 11:16 AM
rhodyguy   Could the tank well for the supply be filled with ...   Apr 13 2022, 09:46 AM
DRPHIL914   lots of good advice here already, if the fuel pre...   Apr 13 2022, 11:56 AM
emerygt350   lots of good advice here already, if the fuel pr...   Apr 13 2022, 02:48 PM
Lockwodo   lots of good advice here already, if the fuel pr...   Apr 14 2022, 06:27 PM
DRPHIL914   lots of good advice here already, if the fuel p...   Apr 18 2022, 08:09 AM
BillJ   Sounds like fuel delivery to the rail is fine. Go...   Apr 13 2022, 12:30 PM
wonkipop   ok fuels good. ignition system next. check the ...   Apr 13 2022, 03:32 PM
Lockwodo   Yes indeed. Note to boxster914: I hope my car ...   Apr 13 2022, 06:28 PM
boxster914   Thank you all for your input (and @lockwodo I ap...   Apr 14 2022, 08:28 AM
Dave_Darling   On a D-Jet car, the hesitation that happens when t...   Apr 14 2022, 01:31 PM
boxster914   OK so I have some results to report on. I changed...   Apr 17 2022, 08:39 PM
wonkipop   if its anything like a L jet, its the vac retard l...   Apr 17 2022, 09:17 PM
wonkipop   i was just reading back through your thread @boxs...   Apr 17 2022, 10:04 PM
emerygt350   What year is it again? Is that an egr?   Apr 18 2022, 05:04 AM
rjames   The vacuum hose goes to the retard port of the thr...   Apr 18 2022, 07:44 AM
emerygt350   The vacuum hose goes to the retard port of the th...   Apr 18 2022, 01:22 PM
wonkipop   The vacuum hose goes to the retard port of the t...   Apr 18 2022, 06:01 PM
ClayPerrine   Have you checked the little ground wire that is in...   Apr 18 2022, 01:26 PM
Garland   :wttc:   Apr 18 2022, 04:05 PM
Lockwodo   Clay: I'll check the ground wire in the disty...   Apr 18 2022, 06:41 PM
boxster914   I have more data to report on this issue. The car...   Apr 28 2022, 05:18 PM
Lockwodo   I have more data to report on this issue. The ca...   Apr 29 2022, 06:57 AM
wonkipop   I have more data to report on this issue. The ca...   Apr 29 2022, 08:24 PM
emerygt350   Interesting! All kinds of badness can result ...   Apr 29 2022, 04:25 AM
ChrisFoley   The clamp on the positive cable appears pretty tir...   Apr 29 2022, 04:43 AM
boxster914   Yes @wonkipop the wires did seem tight to me. I ...   Apr 30 2022, 04:01 PM
wonkipop   Yes [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index....   Apr 30 2022, 06:08 PM
Lockwodo   I've come to believe that battery cables shoul...   Apr 30 2022, 05:41 PM
boxster914   Thank you all for your input. Thank you @lockwod...   May 1 2022, 08:26 AM
Lockwodo   Thank you all for your input. Thank you [b]@[ur...   May 1 2022, 09:36 AM
ChrisFoley   I remember having trouble with old Crane optical s...   May 2 2022, 04:12 AM
mgphoto   Glad it worked out.   May 24 2022, 04:30 PM


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