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| windforfun |
May 20 2022, 02:33 PM
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Ran it for about 1 hr prior to draining excess oil. The motor is a "73 1.7. Thanks.
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| emerygt350 |
May 22 2022, 08:09 AM
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I do notice some different behavior as far as oil temp and pressure depending on filter. I mean, it is the most critical health component of these engines so a little attention here goes a long way for longevity, Particularly when you race it.
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| Superhawk996 |
May 22 2022, 08:35 AM
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I do notice some different behavior as far as oil temp and pressure depending on filter. I mean, it is the most critical health component of these engines so a little attention here goes a long way for longevity, Particularly when you race it. I was being playful but realize my flippant response may have come across as me being an (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bootyshake.gif) clown. We can do a whole dissertation on Tribology. There are engineers that do only Tribology for their whole career. Here's the thing. Keep you oil & filter changed regularly (let's just go with the old 3,000 miles myth) on an air cooled engine and life will be good - generally speaking. On temperature -- temperature and viscosity go hand in hand. Use multi viscosity oil to help offset the effect. To dig deeper, an oil filter really does nothing for you w.r.t racing. It will catch chunks -- that's about it. If you're seriously taxing your oil, change it every race if need be. The most important thing that you can do for any engine is to have the bearing clearances set properly when the engine is built - race engine or otherwise. Here's the thing about pro racing, the engine only needs to last one race. With respect to filter size -- fill oil, start car, shut down car, let sit a couple minutes, then recheck oil level. Once the oil filter has filled with oil, and you recheck the oil level, the size of the filter become irrelevant. It could be 1 pint, or 1 gallon, you would accommodate the volume lost from the sump to the filter on the recheck. With respect to oil pressure loss across various filter brands -- Yup - it's true. Lower filtration efficiency = lower pressure loss (generally speaking). We could go on about oil & all the nuances. That is what I was joking about. But the bottom line is -- don't make this too hard. Fill with oil (to mark on dipstick), go drive (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) And to address OP question on over fill . . . . if it is overfilled, drain some. You did the right thing (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) Yet another good reason to do maintenance yourself . . . the world if full of dopes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/slap.gif) . . .. including me. |
| bbrock |
May 22 2022, 03:42 PM
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Here's the thing. Keep you oil & filter changed regularly (let's just go with the old 3,000 miles myth) on an air cooled engine and life will be good - generally speaking. Can you elaborate on this? I'm getting ready to do my first 3,000 mile oil change since rebuild which will happen regardless of answers here, but have been contemplating oil change intervals. Porsche recommended 5,000 mile oil changes with 50 year old single weight oil formulations. What's the rationale for shorter oil changes? More interesting, let's hear the myth busting. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) My owner's manual says, "Under normal driving conditions it is unnecessary and uneconomical to change oil at intervals shorter than is described in the Service-Schedule of the Maintenance Record." And oil has advanced significantly over the 50 years since that was written. |
| wonkipop |
May 22 2022, 04:53 PM
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,302 Joined: 6-May 20 From: north antarctica Member No.: 24,231 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille
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Here's the thing. Keep you oil & filter changed regularly (let's just go with the old 3,000 miles myth) on an air cooled engine and life will be good - generally speaking. Can you elaborate on this? I'm getting ready to do my first 3,000 mile oil change since rebuild which will happen regardless of answers here, but have been contemplating oil change intervals. Porsche recommended 5,000 mile oil changes with 50 year old single weight oil formulations. What's the rationale for shorter oil changes? More interesting, let's hear the myth busting. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) My owner's manual says, "Under normal driving conditions it is unnecessary and uneconomical to change oil at intervals shorter than is described in the Service-Schedule of the Maintenance Record." And oil has advanced significantly over the 50 years since that was written. back in the 60s and 70s in aus it was relatively common for folks with VWs to do oil changes at twice the recommended min intervals (5,000) VW specified. 5,000 miles was roughly twice a year for mileage in average use (and a lot of other cars besides VW had identical 5000m or twice yearly changes). 3 monthly changes were common amongst the fastidious. my mechanic back then, a german, was more specific with his views. his opinion was you had to keep the oil fresh in the australian summer. so i did roughly 3 changes. car was a daily driver. 1 at start of high summer and 1 at end then one in between. this was because oils were mineral based back then and they did break down when the engine ran hotter. and they did run hotter in summer down here. that was the reasoning. i would have thought synthetic oils are better at not breaking down in use and can go further between changes. esp in colder winter months. EDIT. i should add i drove a type 3 squareback. type 3 suitcase engines were notorious for running hotter than type 1 beetles down here. so the advice from my mechanic was to an extent focussed at the type 3 specifically. |
windforfun Can Too Much Oil Damage Your Motor? May 20 2022, 02:33 PM
Van B Like a quart extra or to the top of the fill neck ... May 20 2022, 02:44 PM
Shivers I run a quarter quart or so high always May 20 2022, 07:29 PM
Puebloswatcop Most likely no significant problems. It will gene... May 21 2022, 02:21 PM
Jake Raby I see engines permanently damaged from too much oi... May 22 2022, 07:26 AM
Sea Rooster
I see engines permanently damaged from too much o... May 22 2022, 07:31 AM
emerygt350 Jake, what is your feeling on type of filter? I h... May 22 2022, 07:40 AM
Superhawk996 I'm going to start a new religion based around... May 22 2022, 07:47 AM
Lockwodo
I'm going to start a new religion based aroun... May 22 2022, 09:46 AM

Van B
I'm going to start a new religion based arou... May 22 2022, 02:09 PM
930cabman
I'm going to start a new religion based aroun... May 23 2022, 05:43 AM
Big Len
Here's the thing. Keep you oil & filte... May 22 2022, 04:03 PM
bbrock
i would have thought synthetic oils are better a... May 22 2022, 10:57 PM
Superhawk996
Still interested to hear why [b]@[url=http://ww... May 23 2022, 06:25 AM
Superhawk996
i would have thought synthetic oils are better a... May 23 2022, 06:52 AM
emerygt350 I just noticed the difference between a mobil1 fil... May 22 2022, 10:40 AM
porschetub
I just noticed the difference between a mobil1 fi... May 22 2022, 04:45 PM
emerygt350 That's a good point. I always use synthetic, ... May 22 2022, 06:33 PM
Badinfluence1
Ran it for about 1 hr prior to draining excess oi... May 23 2022, 12:51 AM
StarBear Concur with Big Len’s comments. 20W50 high-phos ... May 23 2022, 06:18 AM
930cabman FWIW:
I have been changing my oil (dino) every 3k... May 23 2022, 06:51 AM
Van B @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu... May 23 2022, 08:33 AM
Superhawk996
@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?show... May 23 2022, 09:39 AM
Van B
[quote name='Van B' post='3003624' date='May 23 2... May 23 2022, 11:24 AM
Jamie OK now, if considering a switch from dino to synth... May 23 2022, 09:45 AM
emerygt350
OK now, if considering a switch from dino to synt... May 23 2022, 12:29 PM
gandalf_025 Back, years ago…at a shop just outside Boston..
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john ee quest
Ran it for about 1 hr prior to draining excess oi... May 23 2022, 01:03 PM
vitamin914 I realize we are drifting off the too much oil que... May 23 2022, 03:22 PM
porschetub
I realize we are drifting off the too much oil qu... May 23 2022, 06:16 PM
vitamin914
Its gone from oil overfilling subject to a oil br... May 24 2022, 05:56 AM
r_towle For me, and my rare driving of any aircooled motor... May 23 2022, 04:49 PM
Van B @vitamin914
In addition to the better temperature... May 23 2022, 05:39 PM
Jake Raby VR-1 was changed due to LSPI in modern engines a c... May 23 2022, 05:55 PM
Front yard mechanic I watched the indi time trials and saw rpm's r... May 24 2022, 06:29 AM![]() ![]() |
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