27,000 mile original '74 on BaT, This will be interesting Options

[Big Len]

I'm going for it, $71K.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-porsche-914-59/

[Superhawk996]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif)

Very nice car that anyone could be proud to own.

However, I'm not buying that it's only 27K miles. Seems to me that folks are taking advantage of the 5 digit ODO way too often.

Pedal pads seem to have some significant wear on them for 27K. I think there is too much rust and road debris abrasion on the bottom side to be 27K. I bought my Miata used with 30K+ miles on it and it had far less road blast / abrasion on bottom side than this car has.

I could be wrong but I'm a doubting Thomas by nature.

[wonkipop]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif)

Very nice car that anyone could be proud to own.

However, I'm not buying that it's only 27K miles. Seems to me that folks are taking advantage of the 5 digit ODO way too often.

Pedal pads seem to have some significant wear on them for 27K. I think there is too much rust and road debris abrasion on the bottom side to be 27K. I bought my Miata used with 30K+ miles on it and it had far less road blast / abrasion on bottom side than this car has.

I could be wrong but I'm a doubting Thomas by nature.

its a strange one.

had a good look at photos while i was adding data to L Jet research we have been doing.

more careful look at the oil change sticker on the door reveal. 8/77 - 20,010m. the car was sold new 9/74. original owner was doing 7,000m a year at that point.
if that mileage kept up until 1985 the car would be approx a 70-75.000 m car.

to be a 29 K m car the driving pattern by the owner must have changed drastically before it was stored away in 85. that is possible.

or it could be a broken odo car. (but still sub 100K miles).

wherever it has sat stored has been very humid. the surface corrosion on all the plated engine parts/bolts is not something i would expect on a dry stored car. (see the AFM to aircleaner bolts and other engine fittings). mine is not corroded like that and neither are several members cars here that have been well looked after. all those bolts plates etc in and on engines look better than that.

the condition of the tool kit is surprising. lots of surface rust on jack.
(missing plastic bag). original may have been lost and its a replacement?

other strange things are drive shafts still have white painted stamped numbers on them. (i didn't know about those numbers on driveshafts until i saw these photos, long gone on mine). those driveshafts have not seen over 100K miles. much less.

it could be a very good car but one i would want to take a close look at in person given the battery tray work and some other clues. i can remember looking at cars in 89 that had shot hell holes even then, but cosmetically were still very good otherwise.

i'd like to know more about the engine and just how it was stored.
and recommissioned.
30+ years is a long time to be doing the woody allen trick with the VW in a cave.
but it can be done. if the engine was stored right. topped right up with fresh oil before storage. i did it, but only for 16 years. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

EDIT
its also got a strange engine bay back pad.
they should be grey if stock and unmeddled with.
that one looks like its been pulled out and shot with some kind of black ripple finish paint. someone's been in that engine bay and done a big clean up/dress up.
dunno why you would change the back pad on a 29K mile car?

[Superhawk996]

other strange things are drive shafts still have white painted stamped numbers on them. (i didn't know about those numbers on driveshafts until i saw these photos, long gone on mine). those driveshafts have not seen over 100K miles. much less.

I'd disagree on the 1/2 shafts. Those shafts have some serious mileage on them given the amount of build up on oil dust build up on the boots, oil leakage around the trans, etc.

Looks to me like the driver side shaft was disconnected at the trans and then vehicle rolled around tearing up the the paint on the shaft as the CV shaft hit the trailing arm. A nick in the paint from road debris or paint flaw doesn't lead to a rust ring like that.

This sort of stuff just isn't consistent with 28K original miles or even having sat for 30 years.

I bought a set of used 914/6 shafts and CV's not long ago, they weren't advertised as sub 27K miles and they were in far better shape than these are.

Hopefully someone buys at the right price and doesn't buy into the 28K mile hype which for me, means I can't trust anything the seller has to say. This whole BAT "shows 28k miles" stuff is (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) knowing full well that they haven't lied to a degree that can be contested in a court of law but knowing full well that the car really isn't a 28K original miles but is really 128K.

The rest of the car speaks for itself and anyone should be proud of a car like that even if it has 128K miles. But lets stop the nonsense of pretending that cars like these are low mileage. If the mileage was documented from day one and consistent to 2022, that would be one thing. That is not what is being offered here.

[wonkipop]

other strange things are drive shafts still have white painted stamped numbers on them. (i didn't know about those numbers on driveshafts until i saw these photos, long gone on mine). those driveshafts have not seen over 100K miles. much less.

I'd disagree on the 1/2 shafts. Those shafts have some serious mileage on them given the amount of build up on oil dust build up on the boots, oil leakage around the trans, etc.

Looks to me like the driver side shaft was disconnected at the trans and then vehicle rolled around tearing up the the paint on the shaft as the CV shaft hit the trailing arm. A nick in the paint from road debris or paint flaw doesn't lead to a rust ring like that.

This sort of stuff just isn't consistent with 28K original miles or even having sat for 30 years.

I bought a set of used 914/6 shafts and CV's not long ago, they weren't advertised as sub 27K miles and they were in far better shape than these are.

Hopefully someone buys at the right price and doesn't buy into the 28K mile hype which for me, means I can't trust anything the seller has to say. This whole BAT "shows 28k miles" stuff is (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) knowing full well that they haven't lied to a degree that can be contested in a court of law but knowing full well that the car really isn't a 28K original miles but is really 128K.

The rest of the car speaks for itself and anyone should be proud of a car like that even if it has 128K miles. But lets stop the nonsense of pretending that cars like these are low mileage. If the mileage was documented from day one and consistent to 2022, that would be one thing. That is not what is being offered here.

yes - its interesting looking at the transmission photos.
i was trying to see if you determine if the trans had been separated from the engine since coming out of storage. it does not look like it. bolts look untouched?
new owner claims to have put minimal mileage on since recommissioning.
i would expect you to still tell if the bolts had been undone.
same with the starter. looks frozen in time all around it longer than 5 years ago.

if the tranny has not been apart from the engine in recommissioning then the clutch hasn't been touched.

which i believe is flat out an impossibility with a genuine 27 k mile car that went into storage in 1985 - unless the clutch was replaced before then with the usual kind of clutch we all see these days with a spring clutch plate. these babies had those diabolical rubber core clutches in them. - they do not survive 30 years of static storage.

you are probably right about the drive shafts @Superhawk996 .
i was just surprised to still see the white painted numbers on them.
which were always originally there.
looking back through the 1.8 stuff i had accumulated for engine research i found one other car on which they were still visible. a painted #6 or #9.
i've looked at mine and i can just see a trace of white flecks on one of the shafts but not legible.

i can't really work this blue car out.

you can find images of the weird original clutch throughout the factory manual.
its even drawn correctly in the PET catalogue.
the 6s originally had a version of the same creation.
my mechanic's eyes popped out his head when we pulled one out my car 2.5 years ago.
but they don't last a long time in static storage. all the rubber in the core of the clutch plate perishes. result = bang as soon as you start driving it again.
but who knows. maybe the clutch is still in there, but just waiting to go bang.