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Mikey914
post Aug 10 2022, 04:50 PM
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This was brought us as an issue and I'm really trying to figure this out. Any ideas of why the window would look lower and have a gap here.


Here were my thoughts -

I keep looking at this and something doesn't look right. Given that the blocks are identical to the factory ones in shape and durometer, what would the solution be here?

There appears to be a 1/2" section of rubber not fully seated, Is it holding it out?

Could the amount of butyl behind the "chrome" be holding it down slightly? I don't think that would be the whole story.

The triangle window looks like the top is seated deeper than the cap. Almost like if the top of the triangle window was shimmed out more it would push the bottom of the cap out more to "close the gap". This appears to be where the failure is - at least in my eyes. I've seen many of the caps worn and look slightly deformed from the top of the glass pushing it out, but not here. It looks like it's barely engaged.

Why it would sit lower is beyond me. The initial complaint was it was too tight, which would hold it up.


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Superhawk996
post Aug 12 2022, 06:50 AM
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Just a word or caution. It's not just about whether or not the window cap triangle fits into the windshield header radius.

As was the case in Bbrock's original post, it's about whether or not the seal is actually sealing to the window and the triangle - sealing out water and preventing wind-noise.

In my case, when I was able to get the seal fitting into the windshield header radius, it does not simultaneously seal. If you are on the inside, you can look out and see a sliver of daylight.

Like Brent, I feel I could get a better seal if I could shorten the window channel a smidge but the way the adjustment is you either get an inboard outboard adjustment or a fore/aft adjustment. Each alters the height of the channel ever so slightly but not enough to make a difference to the fit.

Unfortunately like a couple of other pictures here, I didn't take one showing the visible light gap between the seal and the glass / triangle. You have to be at just the right angle to see it and/or be inside the car looking out to a bright exterior - but the gap is there.

Tipping the window channel inboard just results in the seal pushing it out and increasing door closing efforts yet the seal gap to the triangle window and window cap never seals.

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This is a picture before I was "finished" but the amount of glycerin all over everything speaks to how much fitting, refitting, etc., was required and it gives a view that the window channel seems just a bit too high. Also dimension "f" was verified throughout my build at 25 1/8".

In the view below - this is before the window channel was moved inboard as show above.
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Mikey914   Help me help you Seal fitment   Aug 10 2022, 04:50 PM
bbrock   There appears to be a 1/2" section of rubber...   Aug 10 2022, 07:04 PM
bkrantz   Hi, Mark. That's my right side in the photo. ...   Aug 10 2022, 07:44 PM
914_7T3   My right side is also off and always thought it wa...   Aug 10 2022, 07:57 PM
Chris914n6   Funny I just looked into this this morning. Short...   Aug 10 2022, 08:04 PM
Mikey914   Funny I just looked into this this morning. Shor...   Aug 11 2022, 03:21 PM
Mikey914   If you follow the leading edge of the glass, it lo...   Aug 10 2022, 10:51 PM
Chris914n6   A picture is worth 35 words http://www.914world.c...   Aug 11 2022, 01:15 AM
Olympic 914   can anyone add the dimensions of the roof opening?...   Aug 11 2022, 07:18 AM
Superhawk996   can anyone add the dimensions of the roof opening...   Aug 11 2022, 07:29 AM
Mikey914   [quote name='Olympic 914' post='3021813' date='Au...   Aug 11 2022, 03:30 PM
Superhawk996   It is definitely a compound question that the ans...   Aug 11 2022, 04:25 PM
bkrantz   [quote name='Superhawk996' post='3021815' date='A...   Aug 11 2022, 09:00 PM
Mikey914   [quote name='Superhawk996' post='3021815' date='...   Aug 11 2022, 09:45 PM
bbrock   can anyone add the dimensions of the roof opening...   Aug 11 2022, 08:02 AM
Root_Werks   @Mikey914 There are a few good pictures and the ...   Aug 11 2022, 04:16 PM
Root_Werks   The picture with the yellow 914 the post looks too...   Aug 11 2022, 04:46 PM
bbrock   The picture with the yellow 914 the post looks to...   Aug 11 2022, 05:34 PM
bkrantz   The picture with the yellow 914 the post looks t...   Aug 11 2022, 08:54 PM
mb911   Here is my car. Don't care for the fit. I am n...   Aug 11 2022, 06:50 PM
Mikey914   Here is my car. Don't care for the fit. I am ...   Aug 11 2022, 09:43 PM
mb911   Here is my car. Don't care for the fit. I am...   Aug 12 2022, 05:20 AM
Superhawk996   Just a word or caution. It's not just about w...   Aug 12 2022, 06:50 AM
Root_Werks   @Superhawk996 hit on an important adjustment I fo...   Aug 12 2022, 10:12 AM
mb911   Just took these pictures today.   Aug 12 2022, 11:10 AM
mb911   RE: Help me help you Seal fitment   Aug 12 2022, 11:10 AM
Mikey914   Ok, there is obviously and adjustment issue here. ...   Aug 12 2022, 12:51 PM
Root_Werks   Ben, those are raked really far back. It's ha...   Aug 12 2022, 12:55 PM
Mikey914   And that's the conclusion I'm coming to. ...   Aug 12 2022, 01:01 PM
Chris914n6   It's a bitch to adjust but I've never had ...   Aug 12 2022, 01:09 PM
Mikey914   It's a bitch to adjust but I've never had...   Aug 12 2022, 01:21 PM
Superhawk996   I don't want to speak for Ben but I ran into t...   Aug 12 2022, 01:10 PM
Mikey914   I don't want to speak for Ben but I ran into ...   Aug 12 2022, 01:28 PM
wonkipop   interesting discussion. a dead german architect u...   Aug 12 2022, 06:36 PM
Mikey914   Thanks, Took a look at a few of my cars the dull r...   Aug 12 2022, 06:44 PM
Mikey914   Have another 74 black that had been repainted. Loo...   Aug 12 2022, 06:48 PM
Mikey914   Here is my 72 that I put my seals on. I'm happ...   Aug 12 2022, 06:50 PM
bbrock   Here is my 72 that I put my seals on. I'm hap...   Aug 12 2022, 07:27 PM
Mikey914   Here is my 72 that I put my seals on. I'm ha...   Aug 13 2022, 10:01 AM
Superhawk996   [quote name='bbrock' post='3022204' date='Aug 12 ...   Aug 13 2022, 11:04 AM
Mikey914   I have 3 other cars I can look at, but I'm thi...   Aug 12 2022, 06:52 PM
wonkipop   @Mikey914 that second image of faded red car loo...   Aug 12 2022, 08:18 PM
Superhawk996   From my fitment: I think in having to close that...   Aug 13 2022, 11:23 AM
wonkipop   i'm starting to notice some things here. star...   Aug 14 2022, 12:39 AM
mb911   I have given some thought here to why mine fits th...   Aug 14 2022, 06:25 AM
76-914   :popcorn:   Aug 14 2022, 10:59 AM
bkrantz   Looking at this photo, and assuming this is an ori...   Aug 14 2022, 09:14 PM
wonkipop   Looking at this photo, and assuming this is an or...   Aug 15 2022, 12:17 AM
Mikey914   The rubber is bonded. There are 2 extrusions that ...   Aug 15 2022, 10:38 AM
rhodyguy   Hi. This will take a few minutes   Aug 15 2022, 10:49 AM
rhodyguy   This is a back ordered seal I bought in 06' I ...   Aug 15 2022, 10:59 AM
rhodyguy   Asdf   Aug 15 2022, 11:02 AM
rhodyguy   I bought the backordered seal from my local P deal...   Aug 15 2022, 11:05 AM
mb911   I bought the backordered seal from my local P dea...   Aug 15 2022, 11:16 AM
mepstein   I bought the backordered seal from my local P de...   Aug 15 2022, 12:09 PM
rhodyguy   Was URO even on the radar 16 years ago? 2 top fron...   Aug 15 2022, 11:53 AM
burton73   Was URO even on the radar 16 years ago? 2 top fro...   Aug 15 2022, 01:26 PM
wonkipop   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Aug 15 2022, 03:51 PM
rhodyguy   Comparing to the photo in post #15, the curve look...   Aug 15 2022, 06:59 PM
wonkipop   i got very curious after looking at @[url=http://...   Aug 15 2022, 08:34 PM
Mikey914   Honestly the door changes were the only Real chan...   Aug 16 2022, 12:21 PM
bkrantz   Not sure what this means, but I took a photo of a ...   Aug 18 2022, 10:30 AM


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