Help me help you Seal fitment, Started a new thread to deconstruct this |
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Help me help you Seal fitment, Started a new thread to deconstruct this |
Mikey914 |
Aug 10 2022, 04:50 PM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,677 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None |
This was brought us as an issue and I'm really trying to figure this out. Any ideas of why the window would look lower and have a gap here.
Here were my thoughts - I keep looking at this and something doesn't look right. Given that the blocks are identical to the factory ones in shape and durometer, what would the solution be here? There appears to be a 1/2" section of rubber not fully seated, Is it holding it out? Could the amount of butyl behind the "chrome" be holding it down slightly? I don't think that would be the whole story. The triangle window looks like the top is seated deeper than the cap. Almost like if the top of the triangle window was shimmed out more it would push the bottom of the cap out more to "close the gap". This appears to be where the failure is - at least in my eyes. I've seen many of the caps worn and look slightly deformed from the top of the glass pushing it out, but not here. It looks like it's barely engaged. Why it would sit lower is beyond me. The initial complaint was it was too tight, which would hold it up. Submitted to the brain trust Attached thumbnail(s) |
Superhawk996 |
Aug 12 2022, 01:10 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,875 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
I don't want to speak for Ben but I ran into this situation like this along the way.
When the window channel is pushed forward - the triangle glass starts hitting the seal too high on the seal. Not on the bulb - where it's supposed to - but on the vertical square edge of the seal. (yellow arrow) that runs the whole length of the triangle glass. At that point the seal is hard enough that the door / glass won't close properly and/or it will hold the triangle glass outboard. It was a lot of trial and error trying to find a position between the window channel fit, the door fit, the seal fit itself within the channel and then finally the movement of the aluminum channels inboard/outboard. I still never got to a really happy place with mine but did at least get to a point where the glass will (more or less) tuck under the square edge of the seal when the door is closed. If the seal has been in the sun, it seems to be better (seal gets softer) and if it's cold it tends to hang up about 10% of the time. |
Mikey914 |
Aug 12 2022, 01:28 PM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,677 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None |
I don't want to speak for Ben but I ran into this situation like this along the way. When the window channel is pushed forward - the triangle glass starts hitting the seal too high on the seal. Not on the bulb - where it's supposed to - but on the vertical square edge of the seal. (yellow arrow) that runs the whole length of the triangle glass. At that point the seal is hard enough that the door / glass won't close properly and/or it will hold the triangle glass outboard. It was a lot of trial and error trying to find a position between the window channel fit, the door fit, the seal fit itself within the channel and then finally the movement of the aluminum channels inboard/outboard. I still never got to a really happy place with mine but did at least get to a point where the glass will (more or less) tuck under the square edge of the seal when the door is closed. If the seal has been in the sun, it seems to be better (seal gets softer) and if it's cold it tends to hang up about 10% of the time. This is why I think we need to do a good quality video that breaks down what the adjustment do and maybe a flowchart. As you can see the problems are it's too far forward, it's too far back, the angle isn't correct, the glass pushes on the seal at the windscreen as it's catches it. there's a gap between the glass at the base of the end cap. Some of these problems are opposite of each other. Leading me to believe it's not one thing that needs to be changed specifically, but a series of issues that can be created / resolved using installation technique. We may make some changes if we can determine exactly what needs to be changed in all cases. |
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