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Mikey914
post Aug 10 2022, 04:50 PM
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This was brought us as an issue and I'm really trying to figure this out. Any ideas of why the window would look lower and have a gap here.


Here were my thoughts -

I keep looking at this and something doesn't look right. Given that the blocks are identical to the factory ones in shape and durometer, what would the solution be here?

There appears to be a 1/2" section of rubber not fully seated, Is it holding it out?

Could the amount of butyl behind the "chrome" be holding it down slightly? I don't think that would be the whole story.

The triangle window looks like the top is seated deeper than the cap. Almost like if the top of the triangle window was shimmed out more it would push the bottom of the cap out more to "close the gap". This appears to be where the failure is - at least in my eyes. I've seen many of the caps worn and look slightly deformed from the top of the glass pushing it out, but not here. It looks like it's barely engaged.

Why it would sit lower is beyond me. The initial complaint was it was too tight, which would hold it up.


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post Aug 15 2022, 08:34 PM
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i got very curious after looking at @rhodyguy 's replacement porsche part seal with correct later part # on it.

i have at least worked out the seal in my 74 is the later seal - its original to the car, i do know that, so its the later seal but one that went into the car in 1974.

my car's seal is exactly the same as this seal i found on a very original 75 (from BAT).
mine has the same 45 degree corrugations for water seal.
the joint between the corner block looks to be in same place up close to the block.
(but its hard to know for sure - i've looked at mine real close and the joint is definitely not where it is on rhodyguy's newer seal from the porsche.

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here is a 73 that a new member bought recently (another member had a thread on it when he was cleaning it up). a very original and intact white 73. looks to have its original seal. seems early seals don't have the corrugations and maybe the profile of the windscreen frame to roof is a little different in terms of shape and ridges. i stand to be corrected on that as i don't see many 914s down here and its 30 years since i looked at a 73. so i never noticed these kinds of details.

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and here is the yellow 914/6 that was recently for sale on BAT.
a restored car.
looks to me like its got new seals in and they appear to be very much like the one rohdyguy posted above in plastic bag.
these are probably a run of seals done for porsche at a much later date (80s/90s?) by perhaps a different manufacturer?
the way the pillar seal meets the corner block is different. the joint appears to be further from the corner block.
so------- even the genuine porsche parts that were around may not have been manufactured exactly the way the original seals were done back in the 70s?

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not sure how that helps things.
but the way they were made looks a little different in the 70s and a secret has been lost? seal may be hard to duplicate in terms of just how it was made but it went into the cars a lot easier on the assembly line?
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Mikey914   Help me help you Seal fitment   Aug 10 2022, 04:50 PM
bbrock   There appears to be a 1/2" section of rubber...   Aug 10 2022, 07:04 PM
bkrantz   Hi, Mark. That's my right side in the photo. ...   Aug 10 2022, 07:44 PM
914_7T3   My right side is also off and always thought it wa...   Aug 10 2022, 07:57 PM
Chris914n6   Funny I just looked into this this morning. Short...   Aug 10 2022, 08:04 PM
Mikey914   Funny I just looked into this this morning. Shor...   Aug 11 2022, 03:21 PM
Mikey914   If you follow the leading edge of the glass, it lo...   Aug 10 2022, 10:51 PM
Chris914n6   A picture is worth 35 words http://www.914world.c...   Aug 11 2022, 01:15 AM
Olympic 914   can anyone add the dimensions of the roof opening?...   Aug 11 2022, 07:18 AM
Superhawk996   can anyone add the dimensions of the roof opening...   Aug 11 2022, 07:29 AM
Mikey914   [quote name='Olympic 914' post='3021813' date='Au...   Aug 11 2022, 03:30 PM
Superhawk996   It is definitely a compound question that the ans...   Aug 11 2022, 04:25 PM
bkrantz   [quote name='Superhawk996' post='3021815' date='A...   Aug 11 2022, 09:00 PM
Mikey914   [quote name='Superhawk996' post='3021815' date='...   Aug 11 2022, 09:45 PM
bbrock   can anyone add the dimensions of the roof opening...   Aug 11 2022, 08:02 AM
Root_Werks   @Mikey914 There are a few good pictures and the ...   Aug 11 2022, 04:16 PM
Root_Werks   The picture with the yellow 914 the post looks too...   Aug 11 2022, 04:46 PM
bbrock   The picture with the yellow 914 the post looks to...   Aug 11 2022, 05:34 PM
bkrantz   The picture with the yellow 914 the post looks t...   Aug 11 2022, 08:54 PM
mb911   Here is my car. Don't care for the fit. I am n...   Aug 11 2022, 06:50 PM
Mikey914   Here is my car. Don't care for the fit. I am ...   Aug 11 2022, 09:43 PM
mb911   Here is my car. Don't care for the fit. I am...   Aug 12 2022, 05:20 AM
Superhawk996   Just a word or caution. It's not just about w...   Aug 12 2022, 06:50 AM
Root_Werks   @Superhawk996 hit on an important adjustment I fo...   Aug 12 2022, 10:12 AM
mb911   Just took these pictures today.   Aug 12 2022, 11:10 AM
mb911   RE: Help me help you Seal fitment   Aug 12 2022, 11:10 AM
Mikey914   Ok, there is obviously and adjustment issue here. ...   Aug 12 2022, 12:51 PM
Root_Werks   Ben, those are raked really far back. It's ha...   Aug 12 2022, 12:55 PM
Mikey914   And that's the conclusion I'm coming to. ...   Aug 12 2022, 01:01 PM
Chris914n6   It's a bitch to adjust but I've never had ...   Aug 12 2022, 01:09 PM
Mikey914   It's a bitch to adjust but I've never had...   Aug 12 2022, 01:21 PM
Superhawk996   I don't want to speak for Ben but I ran into t...   Aug 12 2022, 01:10 PM
Mikey914   I don't want to speak for Ben but I ran into ...   Aug 12 2022, 01:28 PM
wonkipop   interesting discussion. a dead german architect u...   Aug 12 2022, 06:36 PM
Mikey914   Thanks, Took a look at a few of my cars the dull r...   Aug 12 2022, 06:44 PM
Mikey914   Have another 74 black that had been repainted. Loo...   Aug 12 2022, 06:48 PM
Mikey914   Here is my 72 that I put my seals on. I'm happ...   Aug 12 2022, 06:50 PM
bbrock   Here is my 72 that I put my seals on. I'm hap...   Aug 12 2022, 07:27 PM
Mikey914   Here is my 72 that I put my seals on. I'm ha...   Aug 13 2022, 10:01 AM
Superhawk996   [quote name='bbrock' post='3022204' date='Aug 12 ...   Aug 13 2022, 11:04 AM
Mikey914   I have 3 other cars I can look at, but I'm thi...   Aug 12 2022, 06:52 PM
wonkipop   @Mikey914 that second image of faded red car loo...   Aug 12 2022, 08:18 PM
Superhawk996   From my fitment: I think in having to close that...   Aug 13 2022, 11:23 AM
wonkipop   i'm starting to notice some things here. star...   Aug 14 2022, 12:39 AM
mb911   I have given some thought here to why mine fits th...   Aug 14 2022, 06:25 AM
76-914   :popcorn:   Aug 14 2022, 10:59 AM
bkrantz   Looking at this photo, and assuming this is an ori...   Aug 14 2022, 09:14 PM
wonkipop   Looking at this photo, and assuming this is an or...   Aug 15 2022, 12:17 AM
Mikey914   The rubber is bonded. There are 2 extrusions that ...   Aug 15 2022, 10:38 AM
rhodyguy   Hi. This will take a few minutes   Aug 15 2022, 10:49 AM
rhodyguy   This is a back ordered seal I bought in 06' I ...   Aug 15 2022, 10:59 AM
rhodyguy   Asdf   Aug 15 2022, 11:02 AM
rhodyguy   I bought the backordered seal from my local P deal...   Aug 15 2022, 11:05 AM
mb911   I bought the backordered seal from my local P dea...   Aug 15 2022, 11:16 AM
mepstein   I bought the backordered seal from my local P de...   Aug 15 2022, 12:09 PM
rhodyguy   Was URO even on the radar 16 years ago? 2 top fron...   Aug 15 2022, 11:53 AM
burton73   Was URO even on the radar 16 years ago? 2 top fro...   Aug 15 2022, 01:26 PM
wonkipop   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Aug 15 2022, 03:51 PM
rhodyguy   Comparing to the photo in post #15, the curve look...   Aug 15 2022, 06:59 PM
wonkipop   i got very curious after looking at @[url=http://...   Aug 15 2022, 08:34 PM
Mikey914   Honestly the door changes were the only Real chan...   Aug 16 2022, 12:21 PM
bkrantz   Not sure what this means, but I took a photo of a ...   Aug 18 2022, 10:30 AM


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