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| DRPHIL914 |
Feb 6 2023, 09:05 AM
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Dr. Phil ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,844 Joined: 9-December 09 From: Bluffton, SC Member No.: 11,106 Region Association: South East States
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i started looking into this 2 years ago when i was planning my rebuild motor after the drpped valve seat on the OEM motor.
I ended up building a nice 2056 with increased compression, brand new heads, counter balanced crank and of course the cam is performance minded as well. to start i installed the d-jet and later last year i added a 50mm bored out stock throttle body from Tangerine/Chris Foley. Yes this helped a great deal, but we are still limited due to the d-jet and the MPS. So there are a few people out there that make ITB( independant throttle body) that could be used. One is Jenvey, and i see that PMB is carrying those. It looks ike they are mated to what ever IDF intake manifold you choose. there are 40, 45, 48 options. mated with 350cc injectors. I am wondering other than the CB performance stuff that has been available for a while, others have come to the table, who here has played around with this ? over the years ive read a lot on others using the megasquirt and micro etc and it seemd they were very difficult to tune and set up with lots of problems, trial and error. I am looking for advice on what to stay away from and what are the pitfalls and mistakes we can avoid before jumping into this. Look forward to some input, thanks!! Phil |
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| mihai914 |
Feb 8 2023, 07:33 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 800 Joined: 2-March 05 From: Montreal, QC Member No.: 3,697 Region Association: None
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Ok, to keep the ball rolling, can we also talk about options in general and cost?
Let's consider that all these options need "tuning" to different extents. For example: Option 1 - Rebuild D-Jet addressing most common problems/wear items (No ignition) RockAuto New injectors - $300 Restoration Design New Harness - $480 Jeff Bowlsby MPS Rebuild + basic calibration - $474 Jeff Bowlsby ECU testing - $150 914 Rubber TPS board - $52 Total - $1456 Option 2 - PMB Dual 34 ICT Carbs - $610 Option 3 - PMB Dual 40 IDF Carbs - $1180 Option 4 - DubShop Complete EFI with ignition - $4080 Option 5 - Holley terminator X or similar setup - $1249 as a starting point for the basic hardware... I consider the DubShop system, the ultimate upgrade but can't justify the cost for a stock or home built 2056 (personal opinion). I never worked on carbs except for small engines and it's a step back for a stock engine with stock cam. Rebuilding D-jet seems fairly easy except to fine tune the MPS. The off the shelf system could be a nightmare or could become plug and play if there is vendor or community support. Final cost is unknown for now and depends how far you exploit the system. Questions: A: What is your tipping point $$$ to put D-Jet in a box and start fresh? B: How much time are you willing to spend to install and setup the system? C: Which option would you be willing to help a 914 buddy if he offered a bbq dinner and some beer? Please feel free to add options. |
DRPHIL914 Aftermarket FI options for Type 4 motors 2056 or larger Feb 6 2023, 09:05 AM
DRPHIL914 forgot to add this link, its the PMB page listing ... Feb 6 2023, 09:06 AM
GregAmy We have several good discussion topics already goi... Feb 6 2023, 09:30 AM
DRPHIL914
We have several good discussion topics already go... Feb 6 2023, 09:45 AM
scott_in_nh
We have several good discussion topics already go... Feb 8 2023, 04:37 PM
GregAmy That was a good read - thanks for taking the time ... Feb 8 2023, 04:57 PM
scott_in_nh
That was a good read - thanks for taking the time... Feb 8 2023, 05:25 PM
GregAmy Well, thinking outside the box, there's no rea... Feb 6 2023, 09:53 AM
Geezer914 2056, 9:1 CR. 9550 cam, 50mm vanagon throttle bod... Feb 6 2023, 10:10 AM
rgolia I am looking hard at this as I am getting tired of... Feb 6 2023, 01:48 PM
mihai914
I am looking hard at this as I am getting tired o... Feb 7 2023, 08:04 AM
914Sixer Currently sold out but more on the way. Feb 6 2023, 02:05 PM
DRPHIL914 ok wow lots of great comments here i just got caug... Feb 7 2023, 10:57 AM
Superhawk996
seems keeping direct injection is best
Totally... Feb 7 2023, 12:30 PM
GregAmy You can do that. I just decided to use the stock r... Feb 6 2023, 04:11 PM
billh1963 Probably a stupid question but are Holley sniper a... Feb 6 2023, 04:18 PM
GregAmy
Probably a stupid question but are Holley sniper ... Feb 6 2023, 04:35 PM
mihai914
Probably a stupid question but are Holley sniper ... Feb 7 2023, 07:46 AM
Superhawk996
Probably a stupid question but are Holley sniper... Feb 7 2023, 08:58 AM
914werke Ive talked to those guys, it seems the real value ... Feb 6 2023, 06:35 PM
JamesM
Look forward to some input, thanks!!
Phi... Feb 6 2023, 07:19 PM
MSGGrunt I have converted my 1969 TR6 with twin SU side dra... Feb 6 2023, 07:24 PM
emerygt350 If it were me, I would see if the stock FI will wo... Feb 7 2023, 08:33 AM
emerygt350 I work with early tbi (CFI in the ford world). It... Feb 7 2023, 10:35 AM
Superhawk996
I work with early tbi (CFI in the ford world). I... Feb 7 2023, 12:22 PM
Jack Standz
I work with early tbi (CFI in the ford world). I... Feb 7 2023, 01:03 PM
Aerostatwv I thought there is a difference with injectors. Th... Feb 7 2023, 11:02 AM
Superhawk996
I thought there is a difference with injectors. T... Feb 7 2023, 12:36 PM
Superhawk996 What is with with the love of TBI?
Sure dual TBI... Feb 7 2023, 01:32 PM
mihai914
What is with with the love of TBI?
Sure dual TB... Feb 7 2023, 02:46 PM

JamesM
Sniper EFI, FiTEch and all other similar product... Feb 7 2023, 03:19 PM


Superhawk996
Using the term "Self Tune" is along the... Feb 7 2023, 03:38 PM


mihai914
[quote name='JamesM' post='3056265' date='Feb 7 2... Feb 7 2023, 04:04 PM

emerygt350
What is with with the love of TBI?
Sure dual T... Feb 7 2023, 03:46 PM
Jack Standz
What is with with the love of TBI?
Sure dual TB... Feb 7 2023, 03:38 PM
rhodyguy A local member had a big T4 and I think he used th... Feb 7 2023, 01:43 PM
rbzymek I worked at Ford in the engine controls department... Feb 7 2023, 02:01 PM
Superhawk996 Fair points but let me address throttle by wire.
... Feb 7 2023, 03:56 PM
GregAmy
The safety implications of moving to throttle by ... Feb 7 2023, 04:14 PM
Superhawk996 :beer3: The initial Audi unintended acceleration ... Feb 7 2023, 04:38 PM
Superhawk996 The Toyota unintended acceleration issue was a res... Feb 7 2023, 04:41 PM
mihai914 Food for thought:
https://www.holley.com/blog/pos... Feb 7 2023, 05:11 PM
Superhawk996
Food for thought:
https://www.holley.com/blog/po... Feb 7 2023, 05:21 PM
Jack Standz Well, I don't know how Edelbrock got it to wor... Feb 7 2023, 06:45 PM
Superhawk996
Well, I don't know how Edelbrock got it to wo... Feb 7 2023, 07:29 PM
emerygt350 No fun car of mine is in spec. And they both have... Feb 7 2023, 07:30 PM
Superhawk996 Was reading the Holly quick start guide. This gui... Feb 7 2023, 07:53 PM
bkrantz I have the Dub Shop kit on my 2056. As delivered ... Feb 7 2023, 09:12 PM
DRPHIL914
I have the Dub Shop kit on my 2056. As delivered... Feb 8 2023, 07:51 AM

rgolia
I have the Dub Shop kit on my 2056. As delivere... Feb 8 2023, 11:52 AM


DRPHIL914
[quote name='bkrantz' post='3056369' date='Feb 7... Feb 8 2023, 12:57 PM


DRPHIL914
[quote name='bkrantz' post='3056369' date='Feb 7... Feb 8 2023, 12:57 PM

mihai914
I have the Dub Shop kit on my 2056. As delivere... Feb 8 2023, 01:20 PM

DRPHIL914
[quote name='DRPHIL914' post='3056437' date='Feb ... Feb 8 2023, 01:36 PM
rgolia
I have the Dub Shop kit on my 2056. As delivered... Feb 8 2023, 11:53 AM
bkrantz
I have the Dub Shop kit on my 2056. As delivere... Feb 8 2023, 09:09 PM
rgolia
[quote name='bkrantz' post='3056369' date='Feb 7... Feb 9 2023, 08:40 AM
bkrantz
[quote name='bkrantz' post='3056613' date='Feb 8 ... Feb 9 2023, 09:03 PM
bkrantz
[quote name='bkrantz' post='3056613' date='Feb 8 ... Mar 24 2023, 08:54 PM
emerygt350 superhawk, that is awesome. However, I have had a... Feb 8 2023, 07:24 AM
GeorgeKopf Has anybody looked at Simple Digital Systems for a... Feb 8 2023, 02:45 PM
mepstein Installing FI is never cheap. People always undere... Feb 8 2023, 08:28 PM
r_towle Last time I looked at this CBPerformance sold comp... Feb 8 2023, 10:54 PM
Superhawk996 :agree:
Like rgolia, I’ve leaned toward DubSho... Feb 9 2023, 08:48 AM
mihai914 I found this thread specifically about the Dub Sho... Feb 9 2023, 10:45 AM
GregAmy Just a quick bump to report a new "find... Mar 24 2023, 01:57 PM
jd74914 That’s wild. Had to have been done in the late 9... Mar 24 2023, 07:55 PM
GregAmy
That’s wild. Had to have been done in the late ... Mar 24 2023, 08:55 PM
jd74914 :agree: That stuff really was ahead of it’s time... Mar 25 2023, 05:04 AM
GregAmy
That’s before my time-I would have been in elem... Mar 25 2023, 05:44 AM
r_towle Back about 15,years ago, I tuned a 2.4 liter to 15... Mar 25 2023, 09:16 AM
targa72e Not quite 914 FI related but Porsche related. I re... Mar 25 2023, 10:24 PM
VaccaRabite One of the things I'd be wary of with the Dub ... Mar 27 2023, 06:23 AM
GregAmy
One of the things I'd be wary of with the Dub... Mar 27 2023, 11:19 AM
GregAmy
[quote name='VaccaRabite' post='3067937' date='Ma... Mar 27 2023, 05:28 PM
rick 918-S
[quote name='VaccaRabite' post='3067937' date='M... Mar 28 2023, 01:14 AM

r_towle
[quote name='GregAmy' post='3068081' date='Mar 27... Apr 9 2024, 02:43 PM
VaccaRabite
[quote name='VaccaRabite' post='3067937' date='M... Mar 28 2023, 05:23 AM
GregAmy
Interesting. I'm assuming the timing retard ... Mar 28 2023, 05:41 AM
Geezer914 Search for a used Ljet system. You can adjust the... Mar 27 2023, 09:31 AM
ClayPerrine
Search for a used Ljet system. You can adjust th... Mar 27 2023, 10:57 AM
falcor75
Search for a used Ljet system. You can adjust t... Mar 27 2023, 12:30 PM
jd74914 Controlling idle with spark timing is really the w... Mar 27 2023, 11:52 PM
jd74914 In tank is the way to go if you can make it work. ... Mar 28 2023, 01:31 AM
ClayPerrine
In tank is the way to go if you can make it work.... Mar 28 2023, 05:04 AM
Gatornapper Impecable timing as to this thread - almost as if ... Apr 8 2024, 06:55 PM
DRPHIL914
Impecable timing as to this thread - almost as if... Apr 9 2024, 10:40 AM
DRPHIL914 @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu... Apr 9 2024, 10:41 AM
VaccaRabite
@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?show... Apr 9 2024, 07:13 PM
mepstein There are places to send a throttle body out, get ... Apr 9 2024, 04:35 PM
flxzcat
There are places to send a throttle body out, get... Nov 6 2024, 04:18 PM
Gatornapper Thanks Ben - did not know that.
The 50mm (from 45... Apr 9 2024, 07:29 PM
flxzcat Regarding previous talk of Weber like FI throttle ... Nov 6 2024, 04:32 PM
914werke RE: Aftermarket FI options for Type 4 motors 2056 or larger Nov 6 2024, 05:55 PM
Craigers17 I watched this video from Jake Raby over the weeke... Nov 7 2024, 03:55 PM
JamesM
I watched this video from Jake Raby over the week... Nov 8 2024, 01:44 AM
914werke It seems that he and Mario from the Dub Shop hav... Nov 7 2024, 06:16 PM
Craigers17
It seems that he and Mario from the Dub Shop ha... Nov 7 2024, 08:28 PM
Mikey914 Well, I'm currently working on a version of a ... Nov 10 2024, 03:17 AM![]() ![]() |
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