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> MFI or carbs?
bossboy302
post Mar 3 2023, 02:07 PM
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Sorry for re-asking this, but as I begin fiddling with mechanical and electrical components for my project 6 conversion, I am still pondering this decision.

The car, when finished, will be shipped to Europe where my wife and I can use it when we're there, and do some rallies, trips and such. There will likely be (months-long) periods of no use.

Have most of the necessary stuff for the build, (included with the '71E motor-entire MFI, fuel filter/console, complete electrical board, fuel pump, etc) all from 'donor' car...

But I'm beginning to sense that the complexity of MFI (transducers, fuel system, micro-switches, etc.) could prove challenging. A good set of PMO's on the other hand: basic fuel pump and regulator, MSD 6AL, and a spray can of ether may be better suited, again given the intended use.

So, I welcome thoughts and opinions-thanks
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post Mar 13 2023, 01:47 PM
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Especially with ITBs that have a poor manifold vacuum signal.


True dat. This is one of the reasons our builds got held up. Testing, testing, testing.

We built multiple adapter plates to test for vacuum signal under the ITB and the Manifolds. Our manifolds are now tapped with 1/4" ports at the top for IAC and at the base for MAP. MAP wants a more consistent signal derived from the base of the manifolds whereas IAC's are less picky so those are at the top of the manifold.

Here's the test plate we developed for under the ITB. This proved to be best for our IAC signal:
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And a few we made for the base of the manifolds for the MAP signal:
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By separating them even by this small amount, we were about to eliminate crosstalk and tune both circuits independently.

In practice. IAC location:
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MAP location:
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Do a few of these and you'll start to figure out why modern engines have so many hoses and gadgets! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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bossboy302   MFI or carbs?   Mar 3 2023, 02:07 PM
Superhawk996   MFI is amazing tech for that era. However, hard t...   Mar 3 2023, 02:22 PM
Long_ago   Agreed. I went with new webers on my 6. For the si...   Mar 3 2023, 02:32 PM
Cairo94507   I 100% agree; you can always swap out to MFI when ...   Mar 3 2023, 02:34 PM
r_towle   Add in a fuel shutoff (look at the 356) so when yo...   Mar 3 2023, 02:44 PM
ClayPerrine   You should consider an aftermarket EFI setup. Mo...   Mar 3 2023, 02:50 PM
NARP74   I am guessing the newer EFI systems will cost ...   Mar 3 2023, 02:55 PM
mlindner   bossboy302. Living in Wisconsin, time on the road ...   Mar 4 2023, 08:03 AM
targa72e   Mfi once set up requires very little attention. If...   Mar 5 2023, 11:22 PM
ClayPerrine   On of the other issues with MFI is that 914 has...   Mar 6 2023, 06:35 AM
vitamin914   On my carbed '74 914-4 I have a switch to the ...   Mar 6 2023, 08:22 AM
Eric_Shea   Modern EFI that looks like carbs. ;) https://pmbp...   Mar 6 2023, 01:08 PM
Superhawk996   EFI is nice and all but that wasn’t what OP aske...   Mar 6 2023, 01:37 PM
Eric_Shea   OK, OK... Carbs to the OP? ECU is Holley. Holley...   Mar 6 2023, 02:01 PM
ClayPerrine   OK, OK... Carbs to the OP? ECU is Holley. Holle...   Mar 6 2023, 02:27 PM
Superhawk996   OK, OK... Carbs to the OP? ECU is Holley. Holle...   Mar 6 2023, 04:13 PM
r_towle   Honestly, it does bring up an interesting reality....   Mar 6 2023, 05:13 PM
930cabman   My vote goes to Webers.   Mar 6 2023, 05:20 PM
r_towle   My vote goes to Webers. I’m in the same camp t...   Mar 6 2023, 05:24 PM
ClayPerrine   I’m in the same camp today,,, until I learn mor...   Mar 7 2023, 06:41 AM
Superhawk996   Dead stock carbs. Well maintained. Driven reg...   Mar 7 2023, 07:46 AM
JmuRiz   I’m lucky enough to have EFI, MFI and carb exper...   Mar 6 2023, 07:55 PM
bossboy302   O P here-first, thank you all for contributing gre...   Mar 7 2023, 10:09 AM
peteinjp   I’m in the other camp. If you have all the Mfi s...   Mar 6 2023, 08:48 PM
NARP74   For the Jenvey carbs, is that price per, or for a ...   Mar 7 2023, 09:11 AM
ClayPerrine   For the Jenvey carbs, is that price per, or for a...   Mar 7 2023, 09:58 AM
Eric_Shea   [quote name='NARP74' post='3063118' date='Mar 7 2...   Mar 8 2023, 01:03 PM
horizontally-opposed   Also the Jenvey will fit common IDF/IDA air clean...   Mar 8 2023, 06:25 PM
ClayPerrine   There is a lot to be said for the simplicity of ca...   Mar 7 2023, 09:54 AM
Superhawk996   Another advantage to EFI is that professional he...   Mar 7 2023, 10:14 AM
ClayPerrine   Another advantage to EFI is that professional h...   Mar 7 2023, 10:27 AM
Superhawk996   [quote name='Superhawk996' post='3063130' date='M...   Mar 7 2023, 10:47 AM
r_towle   [quote name='Superhawk996' post='3063130' date='...   Mar 7 2023, 11:09 AM
ClayPerrine   I will say, I learned on new term here. Percussiv...   Mar 7 2023, 12:08 PM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   if the mfi is matched (T E and S are all different...   Mar 7 2023, 12:38 PM
ClayPerrine   Another thing to consider is the location where th...   Mar 7 2023, 03:38 PM
bossboy302   Great point! So with permission, I'll star...   Mar 7 2023, 04:23 PM
r_towle   Somewhere here is an old thread of a couple who sh...   Mar 7 2023, 06:49 PM
Superhawk996   Register stateside and get an EU Carnet to bring i...   Mar 7 2023, 07:52 PM
roundtwo   @ClayPerrine @bossboy320 Good point about emissio...   Mar 8 2023, 01:21 AM
930cabman   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Mar 8 2023, 06:02 AM
peteinjp   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Mar 8 2023, 03:47 AM
ClayPerrine   MFI has altitude adjustment... Just sayin. Pet...   Mar 8 2023, 06:30 AM
JmuRiz   :idea:   Mar 8 2023, 04:51 PM
Eric_Shea   Not yet Pete. Bob's was the early Sport air f...   Mar 8 2023, 07:09 PM
horizontally-opposed   Not yet Pete. Bob's was the early Sport air ...   Mar 9 2023, 03:49 PM
Superhawk996   :hijacked: OP asks A or B Answer - you need ...   Mar 8 2023, 07:14 PM
Steve   :hijacked: :evilgrin: :deadhorse: Tons of in...   Mar 8 2023, 07:17 PM
Eric_Shea   Ooooooooooooooops! Thread police! :lol: ...   Mar 8 2023, 07:33 PM
Superhawk996   Thread police here :cop: It’s all in good fun...   Mar 9 2023, 04:18 PM
tygaboy   In case anyone cares: my main gripe with Holley EC...   Mar 9 2023, 04:35 PM
Superhawk996   In case anyone cares: my main gripe with Holley E...   Mar 9 2023, 06:57 PM
tygaboy   In case anyone cares: my main gripe with Holley ...   Mar 9 2023, 07:14 PM
Eric_Shea   True dat. This is one of the reasons our builds...   Mar 13 2023, 01:47 PM


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