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malcolm2
post Apr 25 2023, 01:53 PM
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Hello everyone. I will preface by saying that this is an engine from a 914. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)

But it is in my VW Bus. Just now getting it moving down the road. Everything is new.

Carbs are new and I am a carb rookie, as well. Bought them from Aircooled.net and had them cleaned and set-up for the bus. My 914 has L-Jet FI, this group has taught me enough about that system to be dangerous.

So here is my question for the carb experts. What should the Pump Valve spray look like? It seems erratic and drippy. It kicks in 1st as I open the throttle, not a spray but pore, really. I will say that I see that in all 4.

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post Apr 26 2023, 02:10 PM
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I used two filters on my race car because the tank was toast.

I use one on either side of the fuel pump (because filters are cheap)
the inlet filter between tank and fuel pump is a race filter, can be taken apart and cleaned. It has a stone??? in it with tons of holes used as the filter.

That was the one that I kept having to clean.
a new tank fixed my issue, but I left two filters in place because it protects the fuel pump...

I can fix any issue on the side of the road by cleaning up that race filter with some carb cleaner.....so I like that.

For the OP
Carbs do not (aside from the accel pump) squirt fuel.
Fuel is sucked into the engine by the motor, via the carbs.

So, your adjustments are three.
One, the size of the Venturi really matters...the smaller it is, the faster the suction velocity. Standard Webers are all wrong when we buy them.
Get to the 28mm vents before you get super frustrated.
It will always be a bit sluggish without doing that first step.
It will run, it can be tuned...but it will always be meh.

Suction matching on the engine is dependent upon the intake and exhaust valves being identical in adjustment over all 4 cylinders.
If one of them is wrong (one of yours is wrong...I can hear it) then the suction on that cylinder will be different from the other three.

Get the valves perfect.
Take your time....and get used to doing it.
Its not a terrible job if you learn the easy way to get it done.
I think (maybe) Cap'n Crusty did a write up on how he did it in the Classics forum here...at least I hope that still exists (RIP Cap'n)

Idle jets...
Pretty simple jet, but its the one that does a lot of the work.
Perfectly tuned at idle matters a ton.

Mains are just flood gates, when you need them (high rpms) and you won't feel them....idle is the key jet.

the Access pumps are typically setup wrong from the seller
The floats are typically setup wrong from the seller
The jets....remove and verify each on (there are tiny numbers on them)

Trust but verify.


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malcolm2   Dual Weber IDF 40s   Apr 25 2023, 01:53 PM
malcolm2   Maybe the video will help. Close to the end, not ...   Apr 25 2023, 04:35 PM
nditiz1   So John from ACN is a master with carbs. Buying h...   Apr 25 2023, 06:07 PM
r_towle   Sounds like they are not synced. One cylinder soun...   Apr 25 2023, 06:59 PM
Superhawk996   Sounds like they are not synced. :agree: To a...   Apr 25 2023, 08:16 PM
malcolm2   Get the book on how to tune webers. Syncing them...   Apr 25 2023, 09:50 PM
r_towle   What carb linkage are you using? Have you adjusted...   Apr 25 2023, 07:02 PM
malcolm2   What carb linkage are you using? Have you adjuste...   Apr 25 2023, 09:02 PM
Superhawk996   Don’t worry about IDF specific book. I personal...   Apr 26 2023, 06:32 AM
nditiz1   "You can convince yourself of this truth by d...   Apr 26 2023, 07:30 AM
malcolm2   "You can convince yourself of this truth by ...   Apr 26 2023, 07:53 AM
rhodyguy   FWIW, AC.net is out of biz. Doors closed. The webs...   Apr 26 2023, 08:00 AM
malcolm2   ACN website does leave a bit of the door open for ...   Apr 26 2023, 08:13 AM
rhodyguy   Can you compare the exposed threads side to side? ...   Apr 26 2023, 08:23 AM
malcolm2   Can you compare the exposed threads side to side?...   Apr 26 2023, 08:50 AM
rhodyguy   2 filters? The middle canister is a filter. I got ...   Apr 26 2023, 08:59 AM
malcolm2   2 filters? The middle canister is a filter. I got...   Apr 26 2023, 12:20 PM
rhodyguy   Does the jet dribble when the fuel pump is energiz...   Apr 26 2023, 09:12 AM
sportlicherFahrer   The Tomlinson book is on the CB Performance site a...   Apr 26 2023, 09:50 AM
rhodyguy   ‘Email notification when back in stock’. Could...   Apr 26 2023, 09:54 AM
930cabman   I would bet on either the pump stroke is insuffici...   Apr 26 2023, 10:08 AM
r_towle   I used two filters on my race car because the tank...   Apr 26 2023, 02:10 PM
914werke   Not to hijack the thread but has anyone see these ...   Apr 26 2023, 04:45 PM
nditiz1   Rich, I just check 3 sets of my carbs. All of the...   Apr 26 2023, 05:59 PM
914werke   Ya Ive never see it before & they are installe...   Apr 26 2023, 06:03 PM
sportlicherFahrer   I believe that piece is a float bowl vent that was...   Apr 26 2023, 07:27 PM
malcolm2   Pulled the plugs and did a compression check befor...   Apr 26 2023, 10:15 PM
Superhawk996   Pulled the plugs and did a compression check befo...   Apr 27 2023, 07:52 AM
malcolm2   update...... I have chromoly push rods and swivel...   Apr 29 2023, 02:35 PM
nditiz1   Sounds fine. I usually see if I can spin the push...   Apr 29 2023, 02:40 PM
r_towle   So, I am lazy and I hate getting up and down 50 t...   Apr 29 2023, 03:19 PM
malcolm2   So, I am lazy and I hate getting up and down 50 ...   Apr 29 2023, 03:43 PM
nditiz1   Who said your valves were out? I think someone me...   Apr 29 2023, 04:04 PM
malcolm2   A couple folks mentioned valve noises, now after c...   Apr 29 2023, 04:09 PM
nditiz1   No that all seems fine. I didn't hear anythin...   Apr 29 2023, 04:38 PM
porschetub   No that all seems fine. I didn't hear anythi...   Apr 29 2023, 06:22 PM
malcolm2   Heads are Camper Specials from Type4store.com. The...   Apr 29 2023, 06:48 PM
r_towle   After you have done this adjustment, did your comp...   Apr 29 2023, 08:18 PM
malcolm2   I did not adjust any valves. I checked each valve ...   Apr 30 2023, 05:02 AM
nditiz1   Was this a newly rebuilt engine? Compression test...   Apr 30 2023, 07:49 AM
malcolm2   Was this a newly rebuilt engine? Compression tes...   Apr 30 2023, 03:24 PM
PatMc   Compression test on an engine that overfueling wil...   Apr 30 2023, 09:29 AM
930cabman   Rich, find out why. floats, mis adjustment, needle...   Apr 30 2023, 01:43 PM
rhodyguy   If you verify the floats source new gaskets first....   Apr 30 2023, 02:02 PM
malcolm2   This float setting does not seem to be accurate. ...   Apr 30 2023, 03:42 PM
Jack Standz   This float setting does not seem to be accurate. ...   May 4 2023, 02:08 PM
malcolm2   OK... the more i putzed with it, the more I could ...   Apr 30 2023, 04:25 PM
r_towle   10mm is correct. Not sure where 12mm came from ht...   Apr 30 2023, 04:29 PM
r_towle   Curious to know the differences you find between t...   Apr 30 2023, 04:30 PM
malcolm2   The floats on both carbs are 12mm. Post #11 has t...   Apr 30 2023, 04:40 PM
Superhawk996   The floats on both carbs are 12mm. Post #11 has ...   Apr 30 2023, 06:36 PM
r_towle   In theory you are right. The proper specification ...   Apr 30 2023, 05:05 PM
malcolm2   In theory you are right. The proper specification...   Apr 30 2023, 06:35 PM
Superhawk996   In theory you are right. The proper specificatio...   Apr 30 2023, 07:07 PM
r_towle   The collective experience we have all had is that ...   Apr 30 2023, 05:06 PM
malcolm2   The collective experience we have all had is that...   Apr 30 2023, 06:43 PM
cgnj   Based on video at idle you have at least one dead ...   Apr 30 2023, 05:30 PM
Superhawk996   I should have mentioned 10mm correlates to a highe...   Apr 30 2023, 06:55 PM
Superhawk996   Since you were looking for a book and the Tomlinso...   Apr 30 2023, 07:02 PM
930cabman   I run 12+mm on my 40IDF Weber floats. I prefer to ...   May 1 2023, 10:35 AM
malcolm2   I run 12+mm on my 40IDF Weber floats. I prefer to...   May 1 2023, 12:13 PM
930cabman   I run 12+mm on my 40IDF Weber floats. I prefer t...   May 1 2023, 01:37 PM
porschetub   [quote name='malcolm2' post='3075047' date='May 1...   May 1 2023, 11:34 PM
malcolm2   Found some time last nite and I re-assembled the c...   May 3 2023, 07:48 AM
malcolm2   RE: Dual Weber IDF 40s   May 3 2023, 07:49 AM
Superhawk996   Good find. Usually you’ll only have 1 air bleed...   May 3 2023, 08:19 AM
malcolm2   I do have a vacuum can on the disty. Both carbs ha...   May 3 2023, 01:59 PM
rhodyguy   Tomlinsons Weber book p.22 ….’pre-set your air...   May 3 2023, 02:38 PM
malcolm2   Tomlinsons Weber book p.22 ….’pre-set your ai...   May 4 2023, 12:14 PM
nditiz1   Tomlinsons Weber book p.22 ….’pre-set your a...   May 4 2023, 04:44 PM
malcolm2   [quote name='malcolm2' post='3075791' date='May 4...   May 4 2023, 07:35 PM
nditiz1   ACN recommends using the port over cyl 4. I use t...   May 3 2023, 04:54 PM
rhodyguy   PM sent.   May 4 2023, 12:56 PM
malcolm2   I go back and forth on ethanol or pure. Nice to k...   May 4 2023, 07:39 PM
malcolm2   OK.... engine started. Had to give the idle screw...   May 6 2023, 08:15 AM
930cabman   Keep us in the loop as you get her purring.   May 6 2023, 01:48 PM
r_towle   Synced ? I’m hoping you nail it! Rich   May 6 2023, 02:28 PM
malcolm2   I may have..... Flow matches on all barrels, idle ...   May 6 2023, 03:12 PM
malcolm2   youtube won't let me rotate..... but you can s...   May 6 2023, 03:25 PM
r_towle   I’m still hearing sumpin wrong. Still sounds lik...   May 6 2023, 03:49 PM
930cabman   How does she run? WOT? seems to idle ok   May 6 2023, 05:07 PM
malcolm2   How does she run? WOT? seems to idle ok I woul...   May 8 2023, 05:30 PM
Superhawk996   Still sounding a bit like it’s bogging a little ...   May 6 2023, 05:15 PM
malcolm2   Are you sure your idle mix is tuned properly for...   May 7 2023, 08:11 AM
Superhawk996   Linkage removed Speed Screw 1/2 turn in after to...   May 7 2023, 01:18 PM
Jack Standz   Yes, fuel pressure could be the problem, if you t...   May 6 2023, 05:52 PM
malcolm2   If you want to tune these carbs, suggest getting...   May 7 2023, 08:21 AM
malcolm2   All day run with new plugs. Lots of adjusting etc....   May 6 2023, 06:56 PM
Superhawk996   You’re running way too rich Have you verified...   May 6 2023, 07:15 PM
malcolm2   You’re running way too rich Have you verifie...   May 6 2023, 07:46 PM
Superhawk996   look a bit lean to me. Gray?? There are also a...   May 6 2023, 11:11 PM
malcolm2   You’re running way too rich Have you verifie...   May 8 2023, 05:37 PM
Jack Standz   You’re running way too rich Yes, +1.   May 7 2023, 12:16 PM
rhodyguy   Now you’re seeing how small adjustments can resu...   May 7 2023, 12:27 PM
malcolm2   Now you’re seeing how small adjustments can res...   May 8 2023, 09:32 AM
Superhawk996   I wouldn’t judge by that 1.3mm variance in the a...   May 8 2023, 06:50 PM
r_towle   The throttle plates should be visible from above t...   May 8 2023, 07:13 PM
malcolm2   OK so I should get smaller Weber IDF Idle Jets.......   May 9 2023, 01:14 PM
930cabman   OK so I should get smaller Weber IDF Idle Jets......   May 9 2023, 01:20 PM
nditiz1   50 idle are fine. I doubt you will need to go low...   May 9 2023, 01:54 PM
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