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| 87m491 |
Jul 24 2023, 05:32 AM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 331 Joined: 29-July 12 From: Portland, the original! Member No.: 14,731 Region Association: North East States
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With the prospect of incoming rotten tomatoes forefront, I wade in here looking for a little BTDT.
Background, just got the 74, 2.0 back on the road after a 7 year hiatus. Over the years,, I did fuel system, brake system (19mm master(ATE) /calipers (PMB rebuilt fronts, stock rears) /rotors/hoses) engine mechanicals and cosmetics. I haven't driven the car during that time and I only had about 150 miles on it before it came off the road and memory ain't what it used to be. I did the 19mm MC many years back because it was way less expensive than the 17 and the forum feedback seemed fine. I also have a mid 80's Carrera (with turbo brakes) against which many folks relate the 19mm MC pedal feel. I like a firm pedal and the 911 is pretty easily modulated, heavy but responsive. Fast forward to this past week and some short shakedown runs. The 914 pedal is "right there" and noticeably firmer than the 911. But while being firmer, the braking is far from commensurate with pedal input. Yes, the 911 pedal is firm, but with the right effort, the car will slow/stop NOW. Been on the track with it no problem. On the 'teener, I feel like I am about to bend/break the pedal and the car seems to barely slow. No way I can lock up these brakes at any road speed, nor do I feel I could lose momentum in a hurried stop situation, even at in town speeds. I'm wondering if I have missed something or is this type of pedal feel/action is "typical" of the swap? Shamefully, I honestly can't recall if I did pads, but the rotors are spotless and look like they're getting good pad contact but would love any pad advice as well. |
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Aug 14 2023, 06:41 AM
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En Garde! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 13,845 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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Bleed more. Use a power bleeder to pressurize the system. Start with the caliper furthest from the reservoir and use a longish tube going from the caliper bleeder valve to our catch can. The idea is that you want to be able to watch for bubbles in the tube.
Make SURE (like 100% positive sure) that your bleeder valves are on TOP of the caliper. Calipers can be put on the wrong side, which puts the bleeder low, and will ensure you never are able to get all the air out. Tap the proportioning valve with a mallet to help free up the air trapped in it. When a 914 is set up right it STOPS. Using a 19mm cylinder does not impair that. Like many here, I'm also using the 19mm and porterfields and my car STOPS. Zach |
| 87m491 |
Aug 14 2023, 09:26 AM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 331 Joined: 29-July 12 From: Portland, the original! Member No.: 14,731 Region Association: North East States
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Looking forward to it. As mentioned did use a power/pressure bleeder. All my calipers are 2 bleeder types, top and bottom. Have not check the prop valve yet. But we are running which is good.
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-14731-1692026776.1.jpg) Bleed more. Use a power bleeder to pressurize the system. Start with the caliper furthest from the reservoir and use a longish tube going from the caliper bleeder valve to our catch can. The idea is that you want to be able to watch for bubbles in the tube. Make SURE (like 100% positive sure) that your bleeder valves are on TOP of the caliper. Calipers can be put on the wrong side, which puts the bleeder low, and will ensure you never are able to get all the air out. Tap the proportioning valve with a mallet to help free up the air trapped in it. When a 914 is set up right it STOPS. Using a 19mm cylinder does not impair that. Like many here, I'm also using the 19mm and porterfields and my car STOPS. Zach |
87m491 17mm vs 19mm Brake Master Cylinder, again! Jul 24 2023, 05:32 AM
914Sixer Typical response with 19mm master cylinder. Go ov... Jul 24 2023, 06:40 AM
87m491 Thanks been all through that but didn't run ac... Jul 24 2023, 07:24 AM
SirAndy Thanks been all through that but didn't run ac... Jul 24 2023, 12:17 PM
mepstein Make sure you bed the pads to the rotors. Do it ag... Jul 24 2023, 06:48 AM
87m491 Very good idea. I sourced some of the very popula... Jul 24 2023, 07:23 AM
mepstein
Very good idea. I sourced some of the very popul... Jul 24 2023, 08:34 AM
flipb I've got the 19mm and I can definitely lock th... Jul 24 2023, 06:49 AM
Shivers I had a stock system with a 19mm. I submarined my ... Jul 24 2023, 08:24 AM
MM1 Re: Porterfield R4-S brake pad OFFICIAL break-in p... Jul 24 2023, 11:28 AM
87m491 Sweet! That'll up my 20 mile per year, th... Jul 24 2023, 12:14 PM
mepstein How do you bed in the rotor if that’s new as wel... Jul 24 2023, 12:10 PM
76-914 @Eric_Shea Shea it or don't say it! Jul 24 2023, 12:51 PM
Eric_Shea We always bed Porterfields. We're their secon... Jul 27 2023, 12:44 PM
bkrantz To get good braking response I needed to bed my R4... Jul 27 2023, 07:43 PM
Dave_Darling So, do you know you can't lock up the brakes i... Jul 28 2023, 06:01 PM
87m491 First, thanks for all the thoughts so far. As I m... Jul 29 2023, 05:58 AM
914sgofast2 What kind of brake pads are you running? If they a... Jul 28 2023, 06:15 PM
87m491
With the prospect of incoming rotten tomatoes fo... Jul 29 2023, 05:59 AM
87m491 Data point please for those w 19mm MC. What is yo... Aug 1 2023, 06:19 PM
davep That is way too much free play. I think spec is 1-... Aug 1 2023, 06:33 PM
87m491 A quick adjustment of the push rod to ~1mm spec an... Aug 2 2023, 11:40 AM
87m491 Finally got into the hydraulics to see if the MC w... Aug 14 2023, 05:52 AM
87m491 I finally got back to these over the 3 day weekend... Sep 5 2023, 06:05 AM
VaccaRabite There is weirdness going on for sure.
Is the vent... Sep 5 2023, 06:59 AM
mepstein
There is weirdness going on for sure.
Is the ven... Sep 5 2023, 07:12 AM
87m491 I just wanted to give a final update for those who... Sep 5 2023, 08:42 AM
Shivers I just noticed your home state. Rotors and a lot o... Sep 5 2023, 09:15 AM
bkrantz Some speculation:
If you have a firm/hard pedal t... Sep 5 2023, 07:24 PM![]() ![]() |
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