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> I can see another reason for people performing carb swaps, Part availability
nditiz1
post Aug 27 2023, 10:59 PM
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I love carbs, they are simple in terms of parts.
I love CIS/djet/ljet/efi because hot/cold it starts and runs, doesn't need to be baby'd when first starting in cold weather.

Anyway - I'm just finishing up installing this nice 76 912e engine running pretty much the same ljet in the 914 and I hit a snag that makes it so I can't even get to hear it's first fire up. My car had its dual relay stripped. Yes, if it was still there I could fire it up, BUT it made me think, what if someone running ljet has one go out? So while I began my search for what I thought was a simple yet specific part I found tons of OOS. Wait, why?! It's a dual relay right? 2 relays glued together housed in the same unit (yes I realize more to it then that). So if these parts are unobtainable, then yeah it would make me want to remove it and go with something where parts are fruitful. So while most of the time the black arts of djet and ljet confuse some to swap to carbs, the unavailability of specific parts can also make that a thing.

Ok im done ranting.
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post Aug 28 2023, 03:59 AM
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according to my quick search you can still get it?
the 912 E has the same dual (Double) relay.

at AA
http://www.autoatlanta.com/Porsche-Dual-Do...2361510100.html

not cheap.

but it wasn't cheap in 1989 either.
cost $87.85 USD back then = approx $216 US these days.
i looked up my reciept from the old days, because you got me worried. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

they are not a direct replacement for the original metal relay.
the wiring in is slightly different.
i think @Van B has his head around that. there is a little mod that is done.
of course i never did mine back in 89, the wonderfull mechanic i went to in chicago back then took care of it.
what i can tell you is that already in 1989 these black plastic relays were the superceding part for the original metal case relays. my metal one was thrown out and the black plastic one installed.

its also a common part i think with the VW beetles that were fuel injected and maybe some buses but not 100% on that. i am just a dumb north antarctican and we didn't do this advanced fuel injection stuff back in the 1970s so not up on all the details of north american VW EFI installations across the model range.
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nditiz1   I can see another reason for people performing carb swaps   Aug 27 2023, 10:59 PM
wonkipop   according to my quick search you can still get it?...   Aug 28 2023, 03:59 AM
Van B   Yeah, and this is a cheap replacement too!   Aug 28 2023, 05:23 AM
mlindner   I had Weber's on my four, now PMO's on my ...   Aug 28 2023, 05:33 AM
Justinp71   I had Weber's on my four, now PMO's on my...   Aug 28 2023, 09:30 AM
Porschef   PartsGeek has them, 85 clams :beer2:   Aug 28 2023, 05:52 AM
nditiz1   Thanks porschef! Looks to be the last one. I ...   Aug 28 2023, 06:32 AM
wonkipop   Thanks porschef! Looks to be the last one. I...   Aug 28 2023, 07:14 AM
Porschef   Pretty sure the bugs and vans used the same ones. ...   Aug 28 2023, 06:55 AM
wonkipop   Pretty sure the bugs and vans used the same ones....   Aug 28 2023, 07:10 AM
DRPHIL914   I love carbs, they are simple in terms of parts. ...   Aug 28 2023, 07:22 AM
Porschef   the Holly Terminator X conversions for d-jet and ...   Aug 28 2023, 07:34 AM
GregAmy   this i think is changing now with the advent of ...   Aug 28 2023, 07:45 AM
Krieger   I have one of those relays I took off my wife...   Aug 28 2023, 08:45 AM
930cabman   If I was confident all the necessary parts/pieces ...   Aug 28 2023, 11:18 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   we have the dual relays on the shelf. Glad that y...   Aug 28 2023, 12:16 PM
wonkipop   @nditiz1 had some spare time to google this a bi...   Aug 28 2023, 07:09 PM
r_towle   While I love the simplicity of carbs….I think Iâ...   Aug 28 2023, 07:14 PM
wonkipop   here is what R Atwell says. https://ratwell.com/t...   Aug 29 2023, 07:07 AM
GregAmy   here is what R Atwell says...not good news I...   Aug 29 2023, 07:50 AM
wonkipop   here is what R Atwell says...not good news I...   Aug 29 2023, 04:18 PM
Porschef   here is what R Atwell says. https://ratwell.com/...   Aug 29 2023, 08:01 AM
nditiz1   I'll have some extras if anyone needs them :D...   Aug 29 2023, 08:35 AM
nditiz1   Email from PartsGeek :lol4: Good thing I had ba...   Aug 29 2023, 11:48 AM
technicalninja   Email from PartsGeek :lol4: Good thing I had b...   Aug 29 2023, 12:02 PM
Van B   There will be another run at some point, I’m sur...   Aug 29 2023, 06:14 PM


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