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| vjb206 |
Dec 11 2023, 08:42 AM
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Hey folks! I've got...
I started by measuring all of the the main journals on the crank and I got a range from 2.358” - 2.360” (I used a digital caliper and I'm pretty sure I did this correctly). Then I “dry-fit” Silverline STD/STD main bearings into the case (sans crank), torqued everything down, and got 0.003” in radial play (I used a cylinder bore dial gauge for the first time, and I think I did it correctly). The spec-sheet says radial play should be between 0.06” - 0.10” (0.03” - 0.09” for #2); and I have 0.003." I'm a MINIMUM of 0.057" off, is that normal? What's my next step?
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| Superhawk996 |
Dec 27 2023, 04:34 PM
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Yeah - hit pause. Something is wacko - probably measurements.
Technicalninja’s technique suggestion is good to minimize error swapping back and forth between devices. There is also an aspect of these methods (snap gauges, dial indicator bore gage) that is overkill. The main reason to use gauges like you are is to determine roundness of the main bearing bore. At this stage in the game - let’s just focus on bearing clearance. Since you have all parts, you can use Plastigage. Plastigauge is a more direct measurement and avoids the math and multiple gage use issues.This method will give you a good rationality check on the math you’ve done. Plastigage will measure clearance very precisely but won’t tell you much about roundness. For now, that’s fine. I’m not going to spell out the whole process to plastigage parts here. Google and YouTube will fill in the details. Get a couple strips each of Plastigage in red and green from your local flaps. The only trick to using Plastigage is to make sure the crank doesn’t move while you’re tightening the case or re-splitting the case. If the crank moves, it will smear the Plastigage and you’ll get an erroneous measurement. Overall, a much simpler, direct way of measuring bearing clearance. Green =.001” - .003” Red = .002” - .006” This will cover any plausible range of clearances you should be playing with. If you truly have zero clearance, you’ll squish out the green to a width way wider than the .001” marking on the paper package / gage. Under no circumstance will you ever hone a T4 bearing to size. |
vjb206 2270 Build thread Dec 11 2023, 08:42 AM
930cabman Did you get the rotating components balanced?
Not... Dec 11 2023, 09:09 AM
Superhawk996 Hopefully this doesn’t come off as condescending... Dec 11 2023, 09:32 AM
Montreal914 To measure the crank, I would use a micrometer, no... Dec 11 2023, 09:51 AM
vjb206 Great responses! Thank you for the engagement.... Dec 11 2023, 10:47 AM
Montreal914 Van Svenson still has his YouTube videos on his ch... Dec 11 2023, 10:58 AM
Superhawk996 Regarding info in the link you provided - all thos... Dec 11 2023, 10:59 AM
vjb206 Measurements are in MM. Excuse me while I–––... Dec 11 2023, 11:21 AM
Superhawk996
Measurements are in MM. Excuse me while I––... Dec 11 2023, 11:48 AM
vjb206
Measurements are in MM. Excuse me while I––... Dec 27 2023, 01:09 PM
930cabman hate to ask, but have you built engines in the pas... Dec 11 2023, 11:52 AM
rhodyguy I did not note this in the intro. Remove, tap and ... Dec 11 2023, 12:56 PM
rhodyguy Admin delete please. Dec 11 2023, 12:58 PM
914sgofast2 I would suggest you read the post named "Chea... Dec 11 2023, 01:08 PM
technicalninja
I would suggest you read the post named "Che... Dec 11 2023, 01:41 PM
technicalninja I'm a big believer when making a "compari... Dec 27 2023, 01:48 PM
mepstein “: Assuming this is normal, my next step will be... Dec 27 2023, 01:56 PM
technicalninja I'd also convert everything to US standard ins... Dec 27 2023, 02:05 PM
Superhawk996 Also I want to take a second and commend you for l... Dec 27 2023, 04:58 PM
technicalninja :agree: :agree: :agree: :agree: :agree:
Sup... Dec 27 2023, 05:24 PM
cgnj I built my motor in around y2k. The choices were V... Dec 27 2023, 06:35 PM
vjb206 Again, really, really great advice. Thank you @[u... Dec 28 2023, 03:52 PM
Superhawk996
So I called my local machinist and he said that ... Dec 28 2023, 07:47 PM
technicalninja Google search "how to properly use Plasti-gau... Dec 28 2023, 04:36 PM
technicalninja I have maybe a better suggestion for you right now... Dec 28 2023, 05:53 PM
Superhawk996 Duplicate Dec 28 2023, 08:13 PM
Superhawk996
Purchase a type 4 rebuild manual. I don't kn... Dec 28 2023, 08:15 PM
Superhawk996 I should have been more clear. You can only use P... Dec 28 2023, 07:31 PM
cgnj @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu... Dec 28 2023, 08:05 PM
Eric_Ciampa First time engine builder here. Building a 2270 an... Dec 28 2023, 11:40 PM
technicalninja That's the way...
Plasti-gauge can only be u... Dec 29 2023, 01:45 AM
Superhawk996
It's HARD to properly torque up a rod without... Dec 29 2023, 08:23 AM
technicalninja @Superhawk996
I'm guessing you're like m... Dec 29 2023, 01:59 PM
Superhawk996
And here's yet another shortcoming in the ... Dec 30 2023, 01:20 AM
Jack Standz
[b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s... Dec 30 2023, 02:40 PM
Front yard mechanic Holy cow if Vbj listens to all this expert advice ... Dec 29 2023, 07:02 PM
Superhawk996
Holy cow if Vbj listens to all this expert advice... Dec 30 2023, 01:45 AM
vjb206 Ok we're in business and you guys are to thank... Dec 29 2023, 07:26 PM
Montreal914
Next step: More measuring, reading, and finding a... Dec 30 2023, 01:21 PM
930cabman Two comments, hoping you removed material from the... Dec 29 2023, 08:16 PM
Superhawk996 :trophy:
Congrats - while it’s apart don’t ... Dec 29 2023, 09:06 PM
technicalninja Even today I'll make three distinct measuremen... Dec 29 2023, 10:04 PM
technicalninja I've read many of the oil pressure/problems wi... Dec 30 2023, 03:19 PM
technicalninja Target Down!
This is why I get into threads.
T... Dec 30 2023, 04:34 PM
Superhawk996 I started a T4 pump thread a while back but have n... Dec 30 2023, 05:19 PM
technicalninja Life gets in the way...
Just before we moved to G... Dec 30 2023, 05:47 PM
Jack Standz https://pmbperformance.com/products/jaycee-...w-oi... Dec 31 2023, 09:31 AM
Montreal914 Jorge (George) at European Motor Works in Hawthorn... Dec 31 2023, 11:37 AM
technicalninja @Jack Standz
Thank you for posting!
Once ag... Dec 31 2023, 11:40 AM
technicalninja
Jorge (George) at European Motor Works in Hawthor... Dec 31 2023, 11:45 AM
Superhawk996 Ah - the link to the Samba T4 pump rebuild is as ... Dec 31 2023, 12:17 PM
technicalninja
Ah - the link to the Samba T4 pump rebuild is as... Dec 31 2023, 02:18 PM
Superhawk996 I’m not going to comment too much on the Tangeri... Dec 31 2023, 02:41 PM
technicalninja You might look closer at that valve...
I was EXAC... Dec 31 2023, 03:36 PM
cgnj @vjb206
This is a rod modification you may want ... Jan 1 2024, 03:10 PM
technicalninja Just looked through that. Thanks, cgnj!
Rod m... Jan 1 2024, 04:35 PM![]() ![]() |
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