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> 2270 Build thread, Looking forward to making all of the mistakes!
vjb206
post Dec 11 2023, 08:42 AM
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Hey folks! I've got...
  • Case halves from an old 1.7 (cleaned as best I could)
  • 2270 crank + P&C kit
  • #163/86b Web Cam
  • 2.0 heads with 44X36 valves, where I'll be installing dual springs and 38mm exhaust valves
  • Upgraded oil pump and other goodies
So my first question for the community has to do with ensuring the rotating mass is spinning freely/correctly…

I started by measuring all of the the main journals on the crank and I got a range from 2.358” - 2.360” (I used a digital caliper and I'm pretty sure I did this correctly).

Then I “dry-fit” Silverline STD/STD main bearings into the case (sans crank), torqued everything down, and got 0.003” in radial play (I used a cylinder bore dial gauge for the first time, and I think I did it correctly).

The spec-sheet says radial play should be between 0.06” - 0.10” (0.03” - 0.09” for #2); and I have 0.003." I'm a MINIMUM of 0.057" off, is that normal? What's my next step?
  1. Stop pretending I know what I'm doing and take it to a machinist for test-fitting and honing (I'd like to keep cost down so this is my less preferred option)
  2. DIY: hone 0.06" off all bearings (what's the right honing tool / approach here?)
  3. Order different bearings (if so, which?)
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technicalninja
post Dec 28 2023, 05:53 PM
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I have maybe a better suggestion for you right now.

Halt your build.

Educate yourself.

Purchase a type 4 rebuild manual. I don't know which one's best but someone else might chime in with good suggestions for "reading material".

Watch ALL of Ian Karrs videos.

I haven't watched them all. I don't need them nearly as much as the next guy due to my experience base but, the ones I have watched are GREAT. Very detailed in a manner that a novice can easily understand.

Watch them TWICE. Subscribe to his channel! Thank him profusely if they help.

I think they will...

Others are going to come up with more suggestions.

They may know better than me! Listen to the suggestions.

PMB sells 2255 for 16K!
Raby sells then for much more.
The parts themselves are really not that expensive. It's the experience that is required to make those not only run but run for years/decades that is the expensive part.

These cannot be assembled like a modern GM LS engine kit.

You are starting out your exploration into ICE engines on an engine that is "finnicky" to build and most of the aftermarket parts require more than just simple assembly.

Right now, I would advise you to become more educated in the basics before spending bucks going to Raby's class.

When I decide I want to tackle an un-known to me skill I'll spend many nights searching the internet and self-educate to a point I can ask specific questions and hopefully I will have figured out which questions are important.

In college, a classmate came up and said, "Boy do I like having classes with you!"
As we were not close, I asked "WTF?"
He said "you will ask the questions that are on everyone's mind, you will pester and make the instructor explain stuff in far greater detail. It's AWESOME!"

To which I reply "I'm paying BIG money to have access to the instructor's brain. It's a bit like prostitution; I get access, they have to answer, and I lose money. You're paying too, but you don't partake..."
His answer "I'd be embarrassed!"
And mine "we are NEVER going to see each other again after college. I don't care what you think about me and, hopefully, you feel exactly the same."

Educate yourself!
Don't ever miss an opportunity for greater knowledge for appearance sake.

If I am allowed to interact with Jake (IE: ask questions) during his class he's going to remember me!

I wish "Vulcan mind meld" wasn't a fantasy...
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post Dec 28 2023, 08:13 PM
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vjb206   2270 Build thread   Dec 11 2023, 08:42 AM
930cabman   Did you get the rotating components balanced? Not...   Dec 11 2023, 09:09 AM
Superhawk996   Hopefully this doesn’t come off as condescending...   Dec 11 2023, 09:32 AM
Montreal914   To measure the crank, I would use a micrometer, no...   Dec 11 2023, 09:51 AM
vjb206   Great responses! Thank you for the engagement....   Dec 11 2023, 10:47 AM
Montreal914   Van Svenson still has his YouTube videos on his ch...   Dec 11 2023, 10:58 AM
Superhawk996   Regarding info in the link you provided - all thos...   Dec 11 2023, 10:59 AM
vjb206   Measurements are in MM. Excuse me while I–––...   Dec 11 2023, 11:21 AM
Superhawk996   Measurements are in MM. Excuse me while I––...   Dec 11 2023, 11:48 AM
vjb206   Measurements are in MM. Excuse me while I––...   Dec 27 2023, 01:09 PM
930cabman   hate to ask, but have you built engines in the pas...   Dec 11 2023, 11:52 AM
rhodyguy   I did not note this in the intro. Remove, tap and ...   Dec 11 2023, 12:56 PM
rhodyguy   Admin delete please.   Dec 11 2023, 12:58 PM
914sgofast2   I would suggest you read the post named "Chea...   Dec 11 2023, 01:08 PM
technicalninja   I would suggest you read the post named "Che...   Dec 11 2023, 01:41 PM
technicalninja   I'm a big believer when making a "compari...   Dec 27 2023, 01:48 PM
mepstein   “: Assuming this is normal, my next step will be...   Dec 27 2023, 01:56 PM
technicalninja   I'd also convert everything to US standard ins...   Dec 27 2023, 02:05 PM
Superhawk996   Yeah - hit pause. Something is wacko - probably m...   Dec 27 2023, 04:34 PM
Superhawk996   Also I want to take a second and commend you for l...   Dec 27 2023, 04:58 PM
technicalninja   :agree: :agree: :agree: :agree: :agree: Sup...   Dec 27 2023, 05:24 PM
cgnj   I built my motor in around y2k. The choices were V...   Dec 27 2023, 06:35 PM
vjb206   Again, really, really great advice. Thank you @[u...   Dec 28 2023, 03:52 PM
Superhawk996   So I called my local machinist and he said that ...   Dec 28 2023, 07:47 PM
technicalninja   Google search "how to properly use Plasti-gau...   Dec 28 2023, 04:36 PM
technicalninja   I have maybe a better suggestion for you right now...   Dec 28 2023, 05:53 PM
Superhawk996   Duplicate   Dec 28 2023, 08:13 PM
Superhawk996   Purchase a type 4 rebuild manual. I don't kn...   Dec 28 2023, 08:15 PM
Superhawk996   I should have been more clear. You can only use P...   Dec 28 2023, 07:31 PM
cgnj   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Dec 28 2023, 08:05 PM
Eric_Ciampa   First time engine builder here. Building a 2270 an...   Dec 28 2023, 11:40 PM
technicalninja   That's the way... Plasti-gauge can only be u...   Dec 29 2023, 01:45 AM
Superhawk996   It's HARD to properly torque up a rod without...   Dec 29 2023, 08:23 AM
technicalninja   @Superhawk996 I'm guessing you're like m...   Dec 29 2023, 01:59 PM
Superhawk996   And here's yet another shortcoming in the ...   Dec 30 2023, 01:20 AM
Jack Standz   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Dec 30 2023, 02:40 PM
Front yard mechanic   Holy cow if Vbj listens to all this expert advice ...   Dec 29 2023, 07:02 PM
Superhawk996   Holy cow if Vbj listens to all this expert advice...   Dec 30 2023, 01:45 AM
vjb206   Ok we're in business and you guys are to thank...   Dec 29 2023, 07:26 PM
Montreal914   Next step: More measuring, reading, and finding a...   Dec 30 2023, 01:21 PM
930cabman   Two comments, hoping you removed material from the...   Dec 29 2023, 08:16 PM
Superhawk996   :trophy: Congrats - while it’s apart don’t ...   Dec 29 2023, 09:06 PM
technicalninja   Even today I'll make three distinct measuremen...   Dec 29 2023, 10:04 PM
technicalninja   I've read many of the oil pressure/problems wi...   Dec 30 2023, 03:19 PM
technicalninja   Target Down! This is why I get into threads. T...   Dec 30 2023, 04:34 PM
Superhawk996   I started a T4 pump thread a while back but have n...   Dec 30 2023, 05:19 PM
technicalninja   Life gets in the way... Just before we moved to G...   Dec 30 2023, 05:47 PM
Jack Standz   https://pmbperformance.com/products/jaycee-...w-oi...   Dec 31 2023, 09:31 AM
Montreal914   Jorge (George) at European Motor Works in Hawthorn...   Dec 31 2023, 11:37 AM
technicalninja   @Jack Standz Thank you for posting! Once ag...   Dec 31 2023, 11:40 AM
technicalninja   Jorge (George) at European Motor Works in Hawthor...   Dec 31 2023, 11:45 AM
Superhawk996   Ah - the link to the Samba T4 pump rebuild is as ...   Dec 31 2023, 12:17 PM
technicalninja   Ah - the link to the Samba T4 pump rebuild is as...   Dec 31 2023, 02:18 PM
Superhawk996   I’m not going to comment too much on the Tangeri...   Dec 31 2023, 02:41 PM
technicalninja   You might look closer at that valve... I was EXAC...   Dec 31 2023, 03:36 PM
cgnj   @vjb206 This is a rod modification you may want ...   Jan 1 2024, 03:10 PM
technicalninja   Just looked through that. Thanks, cgnj! Rod m...   Jan 1 2024, 04:35 PM


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