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Zaffer
post Apr 20 2024, 08:04 AM
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I know this subject has been beaten to death, but just trying to look for the most current information on parts as I know quality changes over time.

I am no longer doing a Subaru six conversion to my 914 as I will keep the T4. I have 2, one 2.0L and one 1.8L. My car is a factory ‘75 2.0L. I will run factory FI and am not interested in Megasquirt, carbs, or any other aftermarket FI, at least for now. The 2.0L I’m using I bought from George Hussey in 2009 “in running condition”, but it’s been sitting on my engine stand since.

I am going to rebuild my 2.0L and bump it up to a 2056, but have some (a lot of) questions:

Can I use the factory FI for a 2270? I don’t think so, IIRC, but want to make sure.

I have the 1.8L that I could make a 1911, but is it any better than a 2056? Why or why not?

What P&C’s should I use? I know the main ones are AA and KB. I’m looking at the Biral AA’s at the moment.

Can I use a more aggressive cam with factory FI?

What valve springs should I use and is there a better setup?

My initial plan is as follows:
- Install new P&C’s
- Balance the crankshaft, rods, and pistons
- Rebuild the heads: replace/upgrade the valve springs, replace the valve guides, inspect and replace/upgrade(?) valves
- Either use factory cam or upgrade cam, if possible with factory FI.
- Install a larger oil pump, if still available.

While I want to make some improvements with the engine, I am not going to spend 10K+ doing so. This car will be a nice weather driver and I do not plan on doing any track events or autoX’s with it. I want to make the engine nice and “reliable”, but I don’t need new heads, Nickies, etc. I am rebuilding the engine myself but using a really good local machine shop as well. I do not need to get every Nth of power from the engine, but would like to reasonably improve on it without going crazy.

Any advice on what to, and not to, do is welcome and I realize I’m going to get multiple different answers.

As for the car itself, it’ll remain mostly stock with Factory 4-lug Fuchs, factory brakes, etc.

Thanks!
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post Apr 27 2024, 01:17 PM
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The stock FI is the single most limiting "system" currently in the car.
Carbs are the easiest, most economical option.
Dedicated modern FI is the "correct" path.

I could install a micro-squirt and keep ALL of the "factory look" and hoses.

Reuse EVERYTHING but the electronics. Might be able to re-use the fuel supply and injectors as well.

My only question is WHY when higher output designs are available?

And I believe SuperHawk996 is being very conservative regarding his "improvement" amounts.
I'd be hunting higher percentages...

The very best thing about the modern FI is its scalability.
Triple the HP via a LN level 2270 from a wimpy 1.8l
Keystrokes are what is required!
... along with a much bigger exhaust!

Now, (I cannot remember who I saw post this) a member here posted results of 150+ HP through the stock intake (modified FI, I think it was an L-jet system) so the intake itself can handle at least that amount.
It's the electronics and its sensing devices that are the Achille's heel here.

If I build a 2055 with one of my 2.0 cores my target will be 100% more power at the rear wheels over the bone stock 31K 1.8L L-jet engine that is original to the car.
I have the original FI (ratty and old but all parts there) and I purchased a complete running L-jet set up with a newer Jeff Bowlsby harness, newer injectors, taken off a nice car for the installation of modern stuff. Came with a 123 Bluetooth distributor.
I'm expecting 60-70 at the rear wheels stock.
Built 2055 with carbs I'd expect 100-120.
More serious 2055 with modern FI 125-140.

The real kicker is how each are going to feel...

The modern FI will be significantly better at low and mid throttle positions.
"Daily driving" is what these systems excel at.
Everything will be better and more user friendly.
It will cold start perfectly and not be the slightest bit "snorty" during warm up.

If you're looking for power improvements don't hamstring yourself with a 50+ year old design that parts are getting critical for.



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Zaffer   2.0L rebuild   Apr 20 2024, 08:04 AM
technicalninja   First thing is to disassemble what you have and ma...   Apr 20 2024, 08:57 AM
Geezer914   I rebuilt my 2.0 to 2056 using AA biral cylinders ...   Apr 20 2024, 06:54 PM
Zaffer   Well, after doing more research, I’m reminded of...   Apr 21 2024, 10:24 AM
Superhawk996   No way a subie conversion is simpler than a basic ...   Apr 21 2024, 10:30 AM
mepstein   No way a subie conversion is simpler than a basic...   Apr 21 2024, 11:12 AM
Zaffer   No way a subie conversion is simpler than a basi...   Apr 23 2024, 04:19 AM
Superhawk996   I’ll add - a 1911 is plenty of fun especially w...   Apr 21 2024, 07:49 PM
Zaffer   I’ll add - a 1911 is plenty of fun especially ...   Apr 23 2024, 04:25 AM
Highland   I’ll add - a 1911 is plenty of fun especially ...   Apr 24 2024, 06:17 PM
Superhawk996   Don’t make like more complicated by creating T4 ...   Apr 23 2024, 07:08 AM
Superhawk996   With respect to price for basic T4 rebuild: New ...   Apr 23 2024, 07:17 AM
Zaffer   With respect to price for basic T4 rebuild: New...   Apr 23 2024, 08:22 AM
Superhawk996   Resized rods are simply returning OEM rods to spec...   Apr 23 2024, 08:34 AM
Zaffer   Resized rods are simply returning OEM rods to spe...   Apr 23 2024, 08:49 AM
technicalninja   "I own a Euro repair shop." "New li...   Apr 23 2024, 09:29 AM
Zaffer   "I own a Euro repair shop." "New l...   Apr 23 2024, 10:43 AM
technicalninja   I'm a bit of a take no prisoners type of guy. ...   Apr 23 2024, 11:55 AM
ctc911ctc   Best Laugh of my Week! Well Done! I...   Apr 26 2024, 06:47 AM
Zaffer   Not a problem and I appreciate the explanation. I ...   Apr 24 2024, 12:29 PM
Superhawk996   :headbanger: motorsports crew work is largely a y...   Apr 24 2024, 01:47 PM
Zaffer   I don’t miss the work or the all-nighters swappi...   Apr 24 2024, 05:24 PM
technicalninja   ...but the machine shop I use seems really good a...   Apr 24 2024, 08:38 PM
technicalninja   Are the basic AA heads worth a damn? The price i...   Apr 24 2024, 09:20 PM
Zaffer   I mainly asking in case one or both heads are crac...   Apr 25 2024, 01:48 PM
Jack Standz   Sorry to hear about your ankle. Hope you heal up ...   Apr 25 2024, 05:25 PM
technicalninja   I believe that the big guys (Raby/LN) are still mo...   Apr 25 2024, 05:52 PM
r_towle   I’m going to offer an idea. Take the 2.0 liter o...   Apr 25 2024, 08:54 PM
VaccaRabite   I’m going to offer an idea. Take the 2.0 liter ...   Apr 26 2024, 06:21 AM
Superhawk996   Finally, you can do a subi swap for about the sa...   Apr 26 2024, 07:48 AM
Zaffer   I’m going to offer an idea. Take the 2.0 liter...   Apr 27 2024, 04:59 AM
Superhawk996   As for the other engine, it’s just a 1.8L lon...   Apr 27 2024, 11:28 AM
Geezer914   The 914 is known for its handling. If you want it...   Apr 26 2024, 10:28 AM
technicalninja   Why are you limiting yourself with the factory int...   Apr 27 2024, 11:25 AM
technicalninja   :agree: :agree: :agree: The stock FI is the si...   Apr 27 2024, 01:17 PM
Zaffer   I don’t know if the FI system I have is perfectl...   Apr 27 2024, 05:49 PM
Superhawk996   My daughters don’t show a lot of interest when ...   Apr 27 2024, 09:32 PM
Zaffer   [quote name='Zaffer' post='3141887' date='Apr 27 ...   Apr 28 2024, 05:05 AM
Zaffer   Well, I’m one step closer to starting back on my...   May 1 2024, 01:53 PM
Geezer914   I used my Ljet injection when I built my 2056. I ...   May 1 2024, 04:36 PM


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