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| rjames |
Jun 11 2024, 08:25 PM
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I'm made of metal ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,414 Joined: 24-July 05 From: Shoreline, WA Member No.: 4,467 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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So I got one of the ball joints installed into the strut housing without any issues. Went to do the other one and got the wedge pin tapped almost flush and then went to tighten the nut and got to 20 foot pounds (spec is 33) before the wedge pin started pulling through. WTF?!
Is it safe to leave it like this? This is a wedge pin from Porsche. |
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| technicalninja |
Jun 12 2024, 07:13 PM
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The Koni instructions say to add antifreeze to the strut housing and given that the later strut housings aren't sealed (there's a hole at the bottom) trying to pour antifreeze while it's mounted to the control arm sounded like a recipe for disaster. Lastly, the strut gland nut would be easier to tighten on the bench. Koni is most likely having you fill the strut housing to increase heat transfer from the insert to the housing. I've done this multiple times with Z cars, but I used the original hydraulic oil that was already in the strut. I'd carefully drain that crap into a container for re-use. I called it "Japanese fish oil strut juice" because that is the way it smelled. I WOULD NOT put anything into an outer strut housing that was not fully sealed! I cannot say I've seen an outer housing that wasn't sealed at the bottom. I will be looking at mine closely when I put inserts in per your comments. I am a HUGE believer in having the heat transfer fluid between the insert and the housing. But, if it can drain out, it will. Make a mess of your freshly painted suspension pieces... One final note regarding antifreeze. It has very little surface tension and can flow through cracks that nothing else will. Have an old, cracked coffee mug that works fine for coffee, it probably won't hold antifreeze. Antifreeze is an excellent test fluid for crack detection because of this feature. It will leak out of the strut housing easier than almost everything else. |
| rjames |
Jun 12 2024, 07:58 PM
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I'm made of metal ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,414 Joined: 24-July 05 From: Shoreline, WA Member No.: 4,467 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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The Koni instructions say to add antifreeze to the strut housing and given that the later strut housings aren't sealed (there's a hole at the bottom) trying to pour antifreeze while it's mounted to the control arm sounded like a recipe for disaster. Lastly, the strut gland nut would be easier to tighten on the bench. Koni is most likely having you fill the strut housing to increase heat transfer from the insert to the housing. I've done this multiple times with Z cars, but I used the original hydraulic oil that was already in the strut. I'd carefully drain that crap into a container for re-use. I called it "Japanese fish oil strut juice" because that is the way it smelled. I WOULD NOT put anything into an outer strut housing that was not fully sealed! I cannot say I've seen an outer housing that wasn't sealed at the bottom. I will be looking at mine closely when I put inserts in per your comments. I am a HUGE believer in having the heat transfer fluid between the insert and the housing. But, if it can drain out, it will. Make a mess of your freshly painted suspension pieces... One final note regarding antifreeze. It has very little surface tension and can flow through cracks that nothing else will. Have an old, cracked coffee mug that works fine for coffee, it probably won't hold antifreeze. Antifreeze is an excellent test fluid for crack detection because of this feature. It will leak out of the strut housing easier than almost everything else. @technicalninja The struts I removed were aftermarket (KYB) and there was oil in the strut housing and they did not leak. Clearly the wedge pin and ball joint end was sealing it all up. Maybe I should use a lightweight oil or ATF instead of antifreeze? |
rjames Ball joint/strut wedge pin Jun 11 2024, 08:25 PM
mepstein Is the nut bottoming out on the pin. I would do so... Jun 12 2024, 06:01 AM
friethmiller Watch out! The Haynes manual has a typo in th... Jun 12 2024, 06:59 AM
rjames I was able to tighten the other strut to 33 foot l... Jun 12 2024, 07:49 AM
Shivers From a thread at the bird board "(16 ft-lbs ... Jun 12 2024, 07:53 AM
technicalninja The pin is compromised, nothing else.
I'd rep... Jun 12 2024, 08:02 AM
friethmiller
The pin is compromised, nothing else.
I'd re... Jun 12 2024, 08:09 AM
rjames
The pin is compromised, nothing else.
I'd re... Jun 12 2024, 08:18 AM
technicalninja The possibility of the resultant ball of metal (le... Jun 12 2024, 08:39 AM
technicalninja I disagreed with your method of ball joint to stru... Jun 12 2024, 09:02 AM
rjames
I disagreed with your method of ball joint to str... Jun 12 2024, 09:34 AM
Shivers
I'll post an update when the pins arrive and... Jun 12 2024, 12:47 PM
Superhawk996 By design the wedge pin cannot pull through though... Jun 12 2024, 10:01 AM
rjames
By design the wedge pin cannot pull through thoug... Jun 12 2024, 10:03 AM
sixnotfour correct ball joint ? v notch versus radius groove.... Jun 12 2024, 12:13 PM
rjames
correct ball joint ? v notch versus radius groove... Jun 12 2024, 12:42 PM
rhodyguy Do not attempt to draw the wedge pin in with the n... Jun 12 2024, 01:37 PM
rjames
Do not attempt to draw the wedge pin in with the ... Jun 12 2024, 01:48 PM
914sgofast2 Are you sure that the hole in the strut housing wh... Jun 12 2024, 07:27 PM
rjames
Are you sure that the hole in the strut housing w... Jun 12 2024, 08:00 PM
East coaster Maybe someone had replaced the strut with the olde... Jun 12 2024, 08:15 PM
mepstein
Maybe someone had replaced the strut with the old... Jun 12 2024, 08:19 PM
technicalninja The struts are sealed then.
I'd use oil/ATF a... Jun 12 2024, 08:25 PM
rjames
The struts are sealed then.
I'd use oil/ATF ... Jun 12 2024, 08:47 PM
rjames Forgot to add that I appreciate everyone’s input... Jun 12 2024, 08:47 PM
rjames So I ordered a supposedly Porsche wedge pin lock n... Jun 16 2024, 01:07 PM
Superhawk996 You’re totally overthinking this which isn’t b... Jun 16 2024, 01:49 PM
technicalninja :agree:
+1 for the mechanical class 4 nut.
I... Jun 16 2024, 01:57 PM
rjames Thanks for the feedback. I’ll use the old nuts a... Jun 16 2024, 02:10 PM
rjames So this is where I ended up at when tightening the... Jun 17 2024, 05:24 PM
Superhawk996 Splitting hairs:
I would drive the wedge in with... Jun 17 2024, 05:58 PM
technicalninja
Splitting hairs:
I would drive the wedge in wit... Jun 17 2024, 08:49 PM
rjames
Splitting hairs:
I would drive the wedge in wi... Jun 17 2024, 09:14 PM
Superhawk996
I’m not going tap the pin in further as I’m... Jun 18 2024, 12:42 PM
rhodyguy The taper shape of the hole self stops the wedge s... Jun 18 2024, 05:45 PM![]() ![]() |
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