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> Progressive VS Linear Rate Springs, ed ju cate me....
Aaron Cox
post Feb 8 2005, 11:58 PM
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i have opinions of both.....

i run linear 140's..... a friend of mine has progressive 165's.

what are the pros and cons of each.

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Pretty much, that's it. You can run a softer initial spring rate, but a compressed rate that's stiff enough to prevent bottoming. Note that linear rate springs don't always translate to a linear spring rate at the wheel. If the spring axis is tilted significantly wrt the plane of suspension movement, the rate will naturally change as the suspension compresses. On the 914, the axis of the spring is more or less in line with suspension movement, so the rate is reasonably linear (on the rear, of course).

Gas-charged dampers also often provide some springing action in compression, so the damper also has to be factored in when discussing wheel spring rate. This rate is always exponential. There have been "dampers" which had air or nitrogen cells in them that provided 100% of the springing. Rubber springs also provide a non-linear springing effect, and quite a few cars rely on compliant bumpstops when cornering to provide some springing.

It's not at all difficult to get used to spring rates that "change" mid-corner. As noted, the tires (which are also part of the spring system, and being pneumatic, are exponential springs) provide a significant spring effect.

In short, pure linear springs do not exist on real-world cars.
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Aaron Cox   Progressive VS Linear Rate Springs   Feb 8 2005, 11:58 PM
MattR   im not your friend   Feb 9 2005, 12:01 AM
rick 918-S     Feb 9 2005, 12:04 AM
MattR   http://www.914world.com/bbs...   Feb 9 2005, 12:04 AM
nebreitling   do you like your spring rates -- and therefore han...   Feb 9 2005, 12:07 AM
Aaron Cox   but the exponential curve of the spring rate isnt ...   Feb 9 2005, 12:07 AM
MattR   Well dont your forces increase as the tire patch i...   Feb 9 2005, 12:08 AM
Aaron Cox   body roll with progressive springs in exponential....   Feb 9 2005, 12:13 AM
MattR   you have a sway bar, right? a big ass tarret one....   Feb 9 2005, 12:15 AM
nebreitling   i don't know how much all this exponential vs....   Feb 9 2005, 12:16 AM
Aaron Cox     Feb 9 2005, 12:16 AM
Brett W   Progressive rate springs are springs that get stif...   Feb 9 2005, 12:16 AM
JOHNMAN   My opinion about the progressive coil springs is t...   Feb 9 2005, 12:19 AM
lapuwali   Pretty much, that's it. You can run a softer ...   Feb 9 2005, 12:20 AM
MattR   Squishy for production cars? Cars create oscillat...   Feb 9 2005, 12:21 AM
lapuwali   <...   Feb 9 2005, 12:27 AM
Aaron Cox   for street: gimme progressives..... nice ride for...   Feb 9 2005, 12:28 AM
Aaron Cox   ...   Feb 9 2005, 12:39 AM
bondo     Feb 9 2005, 12:48 AM
trekkor     Feb 9 2005, 12:49 AM
nebreitling     Feb 9 2005, 12:53 AM
trekkor   O.K., This is really wierd ht...   Feb 9 2005, 01:02 AM
SirAndy   ...   Feb 9 2005, 01:22 AM
redshift   I must have installed my progressive springs upsid...   Feb 9 2005, 01:49 AM
Marv's3.6six   One of the more recent trends in damper technology...   Feb 9 2005, 04:26 AM
ArtechnikA     Feb 9 2005, 05:58 AM
trekkor  
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trekkor   REALLY flat... http://www.914world...   Feb 9 2005, 09:26 AM
TimT  
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Mueller   Hey Tim, are cars with tender springs considered ...   Feb 9 2005, 10:08 AM
Aaron Cox   since i have dialed in more swaybar trekkor   Feb 9 2005, 12:07 PM
TimT  
  Feb 9 2005, 01:35 PM
groot   I believe many racers use linear rates springs bec...   Feb 9 2005, 02:11 PM


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