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> OT Anyone here ever patent something?, where to start?
GaroldShaffer
post Apr 26 2005, 09:44 AM
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With all the different products we have here, I am sure someone has got a patent. Got a few ideas that I think I would like to patent. I have been reading some websites but would like to get some first hand input from someone that has done this process before.

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post Apr 27 2005, 12:10 AM
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I've been through the patent process over a dozen times.
My company was sued by IBM for infringement.
Even had to go through getting a few patents thrown out
that our competitors had. Getting them thrown out is much more
difficult than getting them issued. It can be done though.
In some cases, you literally give up and negotiate the royalty because
it is just cheaper than fighting it.

There are a few other things to remember especially if you plan
on going international. There are patent filings in nearly every country.
Its a real pain.
Also, you have to be very careful not to offer your "invention" for sale
to anyone prior to getting your patent on file or else in some countries
you won't be able to get a patent.
This is where the 'Pat Pending" comes in. Once you have your device
patent filed, you can put "Pat Pending" on the unit until you get a real
patent number which will be YEARS down the road. - They are not fast.

Also, keep in mind that in order to get the patent you have to fully
describe EXACTLY how to make or reproduce your invention.
This allows everyone to see it, and from what I remember people
are allowed to create their own product for personal use and that does
not require any permission or royalties. They can't sell them.

Not only that, certain companies like IBM are watching the patent
searches (IBM used to offer all patents on line) and patents that
issue, and will start to make assumptions about what your are doing
and then toss infringement letters at you.
IBM is massive and has a zillion patents - In the tech area it is nearly
impossible to write any s/w without inadvertantly infringing on one
or more of their patents.

So in some cases if the idea is very unique but the volume is low
and the product simple to make it may make much more sense to keep it a trade secret, which has its own set of rules.
Not as much protection, but not nearly the cost either.

My opinion these days is that Patents are EVIL. They are quite often
used as offensive weapons to shut down smaller competitors rather
than to protect inventions. It is also quite easy to get stuff patented
that shouldn't be.

Did you know that at one point Texas Instruments was getting about
50 cents for every single pentium chip because they held a patent
that had a broad claim on creating a microprocessor in a single package/chip?

Unbelievable.....
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itsa914   OT Anyone here ever patent something?   Apr 26 2005, 09:44 AM
larryp   I am a patent attorney. What do you need to know?   Apr 26 2005, 09:59 AM
itsa914   Larry, sent you a somewhat detailed email. I don...   Apr 26 2005, 10:19 AM
airsix     Apr 26 2005, 10:40 AM
Jake Raby   Larry, I have some patent questions also.. I sent ...   Apr 26 2005, 11:02 AM
airsix     Apr 26 2005, 11:16 AM
Mueller     Apr 26 2005, 11:36 AM
bd1308   what if maybe possibly "I" might like to be inform...   Apr 26 2005, 11:48 AM
Mueller     Apr 26 2005, 11:51 AM
ss6   OK, I'm not a patent attorney, but I know one ...   Apr 26 2005, 11:54 AM
itsa914     Apr 26 2005, 11:55 AM
airsix   <...   Apr 26 2005, 12:00 PM
itsa914   I have checked the website John spoke about. Found...   Apr 26 2005, 12:05 PM
Mueller   you could be like our company..."Patent Pending" s...   Apr 26 2005, 12:10 PM
ken914   I have some patents on technical inventions and ca...   Apr 26 2005, 12:54 PM
redshift   I agree with Ken here. M   Apr 26 2005, 01:18 PM
DipShit   Dealing with the US Patent Office is like dealing ...   Apr 26 2005, 01:40 PM
morphenspectra   We looked into it at one time, and It wasn't w...   Apr 26 2005, 01:45 PM
Mueller   Inventors Network...... In case you have thought ...   Apr 26 2005, 03:01 PM
i love porsche   i tried to get a preliminary patent on a lifeboat ...   Apr 26 2005, 03:06 PM
aircooledboy   <...   Apr 26 2005, 04:34 PM
Engman   Most of what I wanted to say has been said. Been t...   Apr 26 2005, 04:51 PM
MecGen   I can speak for Canadian Patent, second hand, from...   Apr 26 2005, 04:58 PM
kwales   Ahhh..... Patents.... One of my favorite subjects...   Apr 26 2005, 05:42 PM
Rider914   My sad story. . . I was always irked by the little...   Apr 26 2005, 07:09 PM
Joe Sharp Old   I came up with a way to alighine motorcycles with ...   Apr 26 2005, 08:31 PM
larryp   Jake - I did not get your PM. Guys, this ...   Apr 26 2005, 09:26 PM
airsix   Larry, Thank you for sharing some very good advice...   Apr 26 2005, 09:48 PM
andys   Well, Larry has seemingly provided a down to earth...   Apr 26 2005, 09:55 PM
itsa914   Thanks Larry for your response here and the email ...   Apr 26 2005, 10:02 PM
Qarl   What's the deal on Patent Pending? Here is ...   Apr 26 2005, 10:12 PM
bperry   I've been through the patent process over a do...   Apr 27 2005, 12:10 AM
larryp   I think patents are "evil" is a bit of overstateme...   Apr 27 2005, 12:12 PM
Mark Henry     Apr 27 2005, 04:09 PM
Mueller   have you tested the skateboard?? it seems that yo...   Apr 27 2005, 04:18 PM
Pompano Beach 914V8   OK I'm going to clue you in on my idea. Thi...   Apr 27 2005, 04:26 PM
bondo   How the hell did THIS get a patent? That can...   Apr 27 2005, 05:28 PM
larryp   !00,000s of dollars? No, it will cost in the ...   Apr 27 2005, 05:28 PM
Mark Henry   Hey...I was only off by one zero ht...   Apr 27 2005, 05:43 PM
Mueller     Apr 27 2005, 05:52 PM
larryp   Not poor, no. But he did die quite insane.   Apr 27 2005, 05:59 PM


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