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> Bay Area AX's: this saturday, GGR AX#5 @ Alameda
nebreitling
post Jul 6 2005, 05:45 PM
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get your cars ready now and come out to play!

http://www.pca-ggr.org/archive.html#msg436

who's in?

demick? howard? grant? trekkor? birgit? andrew? steve? gwen? ANDY (back from vacation?)? jenny (tranny?)? anthony? greg? mueller (bring the tail dragger?)? albert? chris? randal? ken? rob?

let's make a showing...

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post Jul 8 2005, 12:43 AM
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Instructors/Rides etc...

I think it is hard sometimes to know who is an instructor and who is not. At the Z7 school there were so many folks that I didn't know... so we need to concede that it is hard to tell.

I also believe that the Grid workers need to take a more active role here... Grid is more then shuffle the cars so they can go on course and provide car #'s... they should check to make sure that helmets are strapped on? driver (and passenger) seat belts are on? if 2 people are in the car, that one of them the instructor? Simple... but rarely done.

At smaller events like at many Zone, or LPR, Redwood or SVR - it is clearer on who is 'certified' and who is not. I have stopped a few violaters over the years. If you see a violation of the rule... call the person on it now. The rule should be stated at the Drivers meeting - but we all need to help enforce it.

Do some folks get away with it...? Yep... most certainly some do... but they could really ^&$% it up for all of us if something where to happen.

Workers:

I have proposed that we increase the duration between cars... frankly at Alameda where the distances are large, and intervals between cars is ~ 20 seconds, it is very dificult to get to the car in time and get back to a safe place.

Relief Workers:

We all should do our part and pay attention and go relieve early... unfortunately good karma will not always get you relieved on time. So 2 solutions...

1- Some clubs have designated course worker positions that are numbered and have signs. When you check in you are given a station number. You don't walk around asking if someone needs relief etc... you go to your station. You will also get relieved since the person keeping track should ensure that each station has folks (or folk) assigned.

2- If all stations have not been relieved - stop the event... Yes - stopping the event sucks - but there has to be a consequence to those show up late etc... Heck if having a run group pissed at you for holding the show up - perhaps we should a one second penalty to their best run of the day.

I think we all need to concede that running a volunteer group of well over 100 individuals, with all types of personalities and levels of rationality, sanity and scrupples is very, very difficult and daunting. Considering this - the events are still fairly safe. I say fairly because with safety there is always room for improvement.

On a side note - I was told that all that the chairs has gotten is support for what they are doing - very little if any constructive criticism. We need to bring issues to Doug and Dana, but we also need to recognize that we also need to bring solutions to the discussion. I think we should take Dan's advice and highlight the issues to Doug and Dana when it happens so it can get addressed. If it is not done to satisfaction - please escalate to Competition Director, etc...

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nebreitling   Bay Area AX's: this saturday   Jul 6 2005, 05:45 PM
trekkor   I out this weekend. See ya on the 23rd or 24th......   Jul 6 2005, 06:03 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   I'll be there, but with the other mid engine P...   Jul 6 2005, 06:07 PM
Lyressa Roberts   I would like to come but...... new tires and my bo...   Jul 6 2005, 06:10 PM
9146R   Nathan, I'd love to be there but were having ...   Jul 6 2005, 07:51 PM
ppickerell   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/htm...   Jul 6 2005, 08:24 PM
grantsfo   Bought a heat gun, a grinder and a big rubber mall...   Jul 6 2005, 09:31 PM
nebreitling   you're a monster, grant! change to corner...   Jul 7 2005, 02:27 PM
Jakester   I am so tempted to join you, but with my rusty dec...   Jul 7 2005, 03:02 PM
Dave_Darling   The only problem I see in that list is the 10-year...   Jul 7 2005, 03:11 PM
nebreitling   dave, i haven't seen you at the AX's in so...   Jul 7 2005, 03:26 PM
Jakester   How did I know that you fellow teeners were going ...   Jul 7 2005, 04:00 PM
GTeener   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/...   Jul 7 2005, 04:04 PM
fiid   I might bring the Miata along. Not sure though - ...   Jul 7 2005, 04:09 PM
Dave-O   <...   Jul 7 2005, 09:24 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   <...   Jul 7 2005, 09:35 PM
grantsfo   http://www....   Jul 8 2005, 12:30 AM
Steve_7x   Instructors/Rides etc... I think it is hard somet...   Jul 8 2005, 12:43 AM
McMark   Having only been to one A/X, I can't add a lot...   Jul 8 2005, 03:02 AM
nebreitling   good discussion. i have to agree entirely with gr...   Jul 8 2005, 08:37 AM
nebreitling     Jul 8 2005, 08:51 AM
Lyressa Roberts     Jul 8 2005, 09:03 AM
Lyressa Roberts     Jul 8 2005, 09:09 AM
Jakester     Jul 8 2005, 09:23 AM
grantsfo   A couple of suggestions to improve course worker s...   Jul 8 2005, 09:57 AM
trekkor  
  Jul 8 2005, 12:35 PM
grantsfo     Jul 8 2005, 01:17 PM
nebreitling   i don't think anyone is ragging on the events ...   Jul 8 2005, 01:26 PM
anthony   To Doug and Dana, if you are reading, I would echo...   Jul 8 2005, 01:28 PM
anthony   BTW, I loved the AX school. My instructors were fa...   Jul 8 2005, 01:30 PM
trekkor   This discussion is not meant to put people on the ...   Jul 8 2005, 04:38 PM
J P Stein   The safety steward works well. We have on for each...   Jul 8 2005, 05:49 PM


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