P-car 6 or SBC 8, for Ury Options

[Crazyhippy]

Enough of the little horsepower pissing match, it's time for the fast cars to have their pissing match.

I'll be honest, my loyalty to the P-motor doesn't run very deep. They are WAY to expensive for the HP you get. The ONLY advantage i can see from a performance standpoint is the weight, and i'm not sure it's as big as everyone imagines (guessing less than the weight of a decent passenger).

The SBC is easier to work on, builds more HP easily, lasts longer at the same HP level, and sounds better (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/flipa.gif) (subjective i know). You do lose the front trunk, but a 914 is not a practical car to start with, so no biggy (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/boldblue.gif)

I understand people wanting to keep the bloodlines true and blah blah blah.. isn't that kinda like in-breeding?

please discuss (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/driving-girl.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/driving.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/burnout.gif)

[Brett W]

I haven't seen stock 914 win anything at the Solo 2 Runoffs in a very long time. My Civic is a 90si. The 4th gen cars 88-91 are, and have dominated STS for several years now. I am not a "Honda is the best car in the world" person but it is in the same boat as the teener. A fun sporty car that has about the same power to weight ratio and just as much potential. But nonetheless, it is kinda relevent to this conversation.

So it is your premise, that until you are a F1 grade world class championship driver, you don't deserve anything more than 100hp. Based on that logic until you have a Doctorate and 25+ years experience in your chosen career path you should not be able to become a millionaire.

The "lack of HP makes you a better driver" arguement is asinine. I want 500+hp. So what. I can assure you any V8 I build will handle far better than the stock 4 cylinder car. Otherwise there is no reason to build one. My four cylinder car was nice, it would easily pull 1g on the pad. But it would get walked on by a stock SHO when I was trying to pass someone on the highway. It is cool to be able to walk all over a Vetter, 996, Boxster, etc in the twisties. Part of that is not everyone has the balls to hang it out through there, I am pretty sure that the cars can handle it, it is the owner that isn't interested in pushing it. But most of the time you don't bump into those people in the twisties, it is usually a city street or on the interstate, where all the handling in the world won't let you win.

I wrecked my car because I would do what ever it took to beat someone through the twisties, but if I had had another 100+hp I would have never had to worry about the twisties. I would have had him from the red light.

I was playing with a fellow one day in my civic (200k miles, wore out suspension etc). He was driving a new GTI with a VR6. We passed each other given it hell up one of the good twisties around here. So we stop at the top and see about a little game of lead follow. I would get him in the corners and he would walk away from me on the straights. You know what, that is the most frustrating thing on the planet. Nailing an Apex and watching the guy with 150 extra hp fuck that apex up and still pull 10 car lenghts on you. Wow all the handling in the world won't make up that kind of difference.

But the whole topic was six vs. eight. No body here care about the four. If you are reading this you either have or want one. Trying to convice someone that all the HP in the world won't make you a better driver is kind of a moot point. I'm sorry but a 95-140hp 914 is boring after about 4hours. I know I've had two. Now I want something a little more fun.