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post Aug 11 2003, 05:07 PM
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Hi everyone! This is a great source that i look at daily. Have a question for the experts.

Car: 73 2.0 with original motor, Weber 40 carbs (but have fully functional injection in boxes - wanted to play with carbs -sadistic), MSD 6AL ignition, Holley fuel pump, all braided fuel lines, inline fuel filter, headers, supertrapp, custom cage (driver compartment only right now with side bars), fuel cell, remote cooler up front with -10/AN lines running center of car, corbeau seats w/5-point harness, koni adjustables all around- 200lb springs in the rear, stock torsion bars (as far as i know)stock brake calipers, pagid orange pads, 19mm master cylinder, braided lines, fiber hoods and bumpers, includng the GT front end with cutouts for the correct shaped and ducted cooler, 2.0 fuchs w/ 205/50/15 kuhmo rubber and a set of 15x7 panasports (race) when i get the courage to flare. Car is almost exclusively used for track and autocross, although i plan to do an occasional weekend fun run starting soon (will register for this purpose - it isnt currently). Thats all i can think of to describe - trying not to get flamed for poorly formed question. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Opportunity: Original 2.0 from 6 cylinder car in family (read - free) with good heat exhangers and muffler. Motor has been sitting for 10 years in dry and controlled conditions, when father pulled it and put it an IMSA race motor and generally turned the car into a monster; he races the car in several venues.

Question: Im sure this question has been asked before, but what kind of efforts would be needed to install the 2.0. How much are top end parts, assuming the bottom is ok and the end result would be a "warmed" stock motor for the HSR 2.0 class, with an eye toward longevity? What about conversion costs (motor only at first)?

Any advice/comments would be really appreciated!

Bill

EDIT - knew i would miss something! Side shifter with shortened 4th and 5th.
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My car is a 2.2 "S" spec built on a -6 motor. So it's not technically legal for the HSR 2L class although I hear they are not too anal about classifications if you're not a top-finisher. Which I wouldn't be, LOL. As you know there are plenty of high-dollar cars running there with engines that cost as much as my entire car...maybe more.

My engine was not super "cheap" but was a turnkey deal from a guy I somewhat know and trust -- had done biz with him before -- it dropped into the car and fired up perfectly from day one w/ no futzing. I would not have gone the small-displacement route if I were not working to (POC) class specs AND also trying to avoid the huge expensive of a full engine build. Whether a -4 or -6, a proper rebuild is big bucks, easily twice what I paid for a very strong engine WITH freshly rebuilt Webers.

The class I am running with POC is getting extremely competitive. If I had gone one class higher, it gets even wilder and I'm sure the top runners have well over $50K into their cars and many more years experience than me.

One cool thing about the six conversion is that once the infrastucture is there (tank/mount/lines/etc) you can very simply drop in a bigger, badder engine with minimal effort. Anything between a 2.0 and 3.2 is a quick swap. So when I get ready to run with the big dogs, I can go to a 2.8RSR, 3.0 Motec or whatever I feel like without throwing away anything.

Re. Jake Raby's fours -- I got the strong impression from numerous Pelican threads that they are nice street rod or amateur drag race motors, but he has -zero- road race experience. In the kind of conditions we see here in the desert, the high-power fours seem to have a tough time.
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1973914   -6 Original Motor Convert?   Aug 11 2003, 05:07 PM
!   You need a lot more than the motor....oil tank, li...   Aug 11 2003, 05:36 PM
1973914   Appreciate the response Mike. My goal is to have ...   Aug 11 2003, 05:41 PM
!   Well....with the stock motor, you WILL be in that ...   Aug 11 2003, 05:43 PM
Brad Roberts   Hey Bill !! The 2.0 6 cyl engine is the c...   Aug 11 2003, 05:44 PM
SirAndy   <...   Aug 11 2003, 05:45 PM
1973914   Mike - how can i get in touch with Chris? Brad - ...   Aug 11 2003, 05:49 PM
!   Chris posts on this board. He will see the thread...   Aug 11 2003, 05:53 PM
Brad Roberts   ChrisC cant help you. He runs a totally different ...   Aug 11 2003, 06:00 PM
1973914   yeah im aware of Jake down there - he doesnt touch...   Aug 11 2003, 06:00 PM
Brad Roberts   Um Mike.. what part of 2.0 class dont you unders...   Aug 11 2003, 06:01 PM
Brad Roberts   Ouch..ok I now know our budget. It will be real di...   Aug 11 2003, 06:04 PM
!     Aug 11 2003, 06:28 PM
1973914   RedShift :lol: I resemble that remark sometimes....   Aug 11 2003, 06:37 PM
campbellcj   My car is a 2.2 "S" spec built on a -6 motor. So ...   Aug 11 2003, 09:03 PM
1973914   Thanks for the note - and i really like your prese...   Aug 13 2003, 10:33 AM
Bleyseng   Sucking valve cover Gaskets or the actual covers? ...   Aug 13 2003, 10:51 AM
campbellcj   I personally believe the sixes are much more relia...   Aug 13 2003, 12:00 PM
1973914   Valve cover GASKETs - sorry for the ommision...   Aug 13 2003, 12:47 PM
seanery   Original 914-6 motors are the same as 1969 911T sp...   Aug 13 2003, 12:49 PM
campbellcj   The S has different crank (forged & counterweighte...   Aug 13 2003, 01:17 PM
brant   The factory spec for an S could be a little optimi...   Aug 13 2003, 02:11 PM
1973914   How many hours could one expect out of an "s" moto...   Aug 13 2003, 02:50 PM
seanery   S spec should still have a pretty good longevity. ...   Aug 13 2003, 03:20 PM
campbellcj   Honestly just a new set of Mahle "S" p&c's wil...   Aug 13 2003, 10:57 PM
James Adams   Check BA's book. He makes some comments about...   Aug 14 2003, 06:44 AM
seanery   If you're building a race motor, this is what ...   Aug 14 2003, 07:33 AM
1973914   Here is the entire rules statement on engine requi...   Aug 14 2003, 08:01 AM
seanery   It's a bit pricey. Most people expect to pay ...   Aug 14 2003, 08:07 AM
brant   Another thing about the aluminum case... technica...   Aug 14 2003, 09:07 AM
1973914   Just found this buried deeper down about the case ...   Aug 14 2003, 10:28 AM
brant   BA's book will clarify but off the top of my h...   Aug 14 2003, 12:07 PM
1973914   Yeah, wanted to quote them directly. The classes ...   Aug 14 2003, 12:35 PM
brant   You probably need to decide which of those classes...   Aug 14 2003, 12:56 PM
1973914   I definitely want to go with the 2.0 class. More ...   Aug 14 2003, 02:01 PM
1973914   UPDATE ON THE CASE ON EBAY: Case #: 901.101.101....   Aug 14 2003, 02:06 PM
seanery   I would say it IS and early replacement case. but...   Aug 14 2003, 02:36 PM
J P Stein   914/6s came with an aluminum case, IIRC.....a 68/9...   Aug 14 2003, 02:47 PM
seanery   JP, I think the 914-6's had the 69T motor, whi...   Aug 14 2003, 02:57 PM
elmonte   <...   Aug 14 2003, 03:01 PM
J P Stein   It wouldn't be the first time I've recalle...   Aug 14 2003, 03:09 PM
brant   BRAKES, 5 bolt set ups: an A or S caliper is an ea...   Aug 14 2003, 05:09 PM
1973914   im relatively familiar with the upgrade posibiliti...   Aug 15 2003, 09:50 AM
seanery   The only benefit IMHO is that the stock unit's...   Aug 15 2003, 10:09 AM


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