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> Yet another welder Q, 110 v 220
lapuwali
post Nov 7 2005, 04:25 PM
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I've read through a lot of the welder questions, and one topic regularly mentioned is 110 v 220, with "220 is better" usually being expressed.

Now, I can understand the amps v. volts v. power issue (power to actually melt something is measured in Watts, which is amps x volts. However, power through a wire is essentially amp-limited, and power through a household circuit is very much limited by the breaker, which is amp-limited). 110v x 20a is 2200W, where 220v x 20a is 4400W, so 220v definitely gives you more power.

However, how much power do you actually NEED for car work? Most of the time, you'd be welding 16-20g sheet, except for things like engine mounts, cages, and the like, where you might use thick-walled tube, but still you're unlikely to use much over 1/8" wall, even for a cage.

Aluminum welding would require more power, but (IMHO) would also really require TIG. So, for steel work using MIG, how much power do you really require? What's the highest amp setting normally seen when doing the kind of welding you'll see on a 914 (or any other typical car)?
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post Nov 7 2005, 05:54 PM
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QUOTE (jd74914 @ Nov 7 2005, 02:47 PM)
IIRC, most of the 110 units have a lesser duty cycle than the 220 ones.  

This is the biggest PRACTICAL difference IMHO. With my 110v / 135 amp Hobart I've needed LESS power a lot more often than I've ever needed MORE. Granted, a more powerful welder could weld heavy stuff more quickly, but I've successfully welded 5/8" plate with it and had the welds pass an engineer's inspection. I can't imagine I'll have much need to weld thicker stuff than that. Where I HAVE had trouble is welding REALLY thin stuff (~20ga.)

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lapuwali   Yet another welder Q   Nov 7 2005, 04:25 PM
Mueller   the distance from the power outlet is one key fact...   Nov 7 2005, 04:30 PM
lapuwali     Nov 7 2005, 04:33 PM
sj914   For an extension cord using 20 ft extension, you w...   Nov 7 2005, 04:47 PM
Spoke   I just purchased a Millermatic 135 110V welder and...   Nov 7 2005, 04:47 PM
jd74914   As far as I know, the only time you really need 22...   Nov 7 2005, 04:47 PM
Mueller   my 135amp 110v unit right now is having a hard tim...   Nov 7 2005, 04:48 PM
fiid   I have a shitty-assed home despot welder and I...   Nov 7 2005, 05:16 PM
lapuwali     Nov 7 2005, 05:43 PM
yellowFV   I have a 220 Volt Lincoln MIG... Your correct you ...   Nov 7 2005, 05:47 PM
Mueller   I built the frame of this cleanroom in my garage, ...   Nov 7 2005, 05:53 PM
airsix     Nov 7 2005, 05:54 PM
Dr. Roger   Hmmm, I've got a 110V wire feed. No gas, jus...   Nov 7 2005, 06:11 PM
9146986   It has to have gas to really be MIG. The I stands...   Nov 7 2005, 07:10 PM
TimT   heat input for welding is measured in joules for ...   Nov 7 2005, 07:12 PM
lapuwali   Joules = watts x seconds, so just move the gun mor...   Nov 7 2005, 07:38 PM
Mueller     Nov 7 2005, 07:43 PM
McMark   Mike, something's wrong with the 110v machines...   Nov 7 2005, 08:17 PM
TimT   I just completed a job on one of the major suspens...   Nov 7 2005, 09:41 PM
BGman   I just learned to weld (kinda) on my own...a frien...   Nov 7 2005, 09:49 PM
McMark   I agree that helmets can make a huge difference. ...   Nov 7 2005, 09:59 PM
lapuwali   Agree completely. I got an auto-darkening helmet ...   Nov 7 2005, 10:09 PM


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