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> 914/6 vs. 914/4 AX Performance, Heated Disscussion Within
Britain Smith
post Nov 15 2005, 11:02 PM
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I know this guy...he is looking to purchase a 914...wants to be really fast on the AX course...and can't decide between an original 6 (or conversion) w/ 2.7L (or some sort of uprated motor) or a Raby (or similar) four cylinder.

Putting the discussion on equal playing grounds, lets say that both chassis are identical, which would be faster on the AX course? This is assuming a well built chassis, with a cage, upgraded suspension, hoosiers (or similar) tires, etc.

For AX purposes, my vote would go for the 4-cylinder car all the way. I have my reasons, but I want to hear yours first...so which is it?

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Randal
post Nov 16 2005, 01:39 PM
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If you do the math (power to weight ratio) and have a good understanding about how suspension and respective weight and balance works in a 914 and all other things being equal - a four will always be superior in an AutoX 914.

Of course the only way to prove this is to build a car specifically for AutoX, like Andrew’s, Steve’s or Bill’s, run the four for half the season, then switch to a six.

Of course, whatever the outcome, either the four or six folks will complain that it wasn’t a fair contest, given the differences in power/torque of the respective engines.

But my “fantasy” contest would be based upon the ratio determined by power to weight, i.e., both the four and six would be built to have the same net power to weight ratio (when in the 914) and would be driven (the BIGGEST VARIABLE) by the same driver.

So not withstanding my fantasy contest, about the only way to prove the point is to build a competitive light weight car, with a modern technology engine (Jake Raby) and go test the theory both locally and nationally. BTW this is what I'm doing.

Also given that the modern technology engines seem to be more reliable, I also believe it will be interesting to see what happens at the track. I have no doubt that a hot four can be built to be competitive with the sixes, but the question is how long it will last?

Of course if history is a lesson, I guess Rich Bontempi would have something to say about the track, given the number of sixes he blew off during his tenure.
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Britain Smith   914/6 vs. 914/4 AX Performance   Nov 15 2005, 11:02 PM
Andyrew   Well, a T4 can make a bunch of tq (autox good) and...   Nov 15 2005, 11:06 PM
SirAndy     Nov 16 2005, 12:00 AM
nebreitling   if i were building an AX-only car it'd be a /4...   Nov 16 2005, 12:01 AM
gregrobbins  
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airsix   http://www.914world.co...   Nov 16 2005, 12:47 AM
r_towle  
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Air_Cooled_Nut  
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SirAndy   the initial question was about "compareable" cars....   Nov 16 2005, 02:16 AM
nine14cats   ouch...I stand corrected..... ht...   Nov 16 2005, 02:30 AM
URY914   <...   Nov 16 2005, 10:04 AM
trekkor  
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Jake Raby   ...   Nov 16 2005, 11:02 AM
Demick   <...   Nov 16 2005, 11:18 AM
Britain Smith   Well, this discussion got a little out of hand...b...   Nov 16 2005, 11:21 AM
Jake Raby   It has a TON to do with the way both engines are p...   Nov 16 2005, 11:40 AM
SirAndy  
  Nov 16 2005, 12:23 PM
Demick   <...   Nov 16 2005, 12:47 PM
Rough_Rider   IMHO two equally prepped chassis, with good suspen...   Nov 16 2005, 01:19 PM
Randal   If you do the math (power to weight ratio) and hav...   Nov 16 2005, 01:39 PM
J P Stein   This is all a bit absurd, really.....no need to ge...   Nov 16 2005, 01:52 PM
Jake Raby     Nov 16 2005, 01:59 PM
Randal     Nov 16 2005, 02:08 PM
nine14cats   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/ht...   Nov 16 2005, 04:42 PM
nebreitling   i gotta go with randal on this one. even given id...   Nov 16 2005, 04:50 PM
Root_Werks   More wieght = harder to change dirrection. So if ...   Nov 16 2005, 04:53 PM
Jake Raby   The other -4 guys that don't want a six like d...   Nov 16 2005, 05:31 PM
J P Stein   Basically what you guys want is some way to build ...   Nov 16 2005, 06:44 PM
J P Stein   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/e...   Nov 16 2005, 07:34 PM
Jake Raby   First off where are the specs for these warmed ove...   Nov 16 2005, 07:40 PM
Demick     Nov 16 2005, 08:01 PM
nebreitling     Nov 16 2005, 08:11 PM
trekkor   Nathan update the final results of the 914cup ...   Nov 16 2005, 11:27 PM
J P Stein   <...   Nov 17 2005, 09:02 PM
Britain Smith   <...   Nov 18 2005, 09:15 PM
trekkor   I'll always a/x... http://www.9...   Nov 18 2005, 09:32 PM
J P Stein   <...   Nov 18 2005, 11:38 PM
J P Stein   I'm always harsh with Trekkor...otherwise he i...   Nov 18 2005, 11:53 PM
trekkor   Nah, I went to bed early last night.

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