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> 914/6 vs. 914/4 AX Performance, Heated Disscussion Within
Britain Smith
post Nov 15 2005, 11:02 PM
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I know this guy...he is looking to purchase a 914...wants to be really fast on the AX course...and can't decide between an original 6 (or conversion) w/ 2.7L (or some sort of uprated motor) or a Raby (or similar) four cylinder.

Putting the discussion on equal playing grounds, lets say that both chassis are identical, which would be faster on the AX course? This is assuming a well built chassis, with a cage, upgraded suspension, hoosiers (or similar) tires, etc.

For AX purposes, my vote would go for the 4-cylinder car all the way. I have my reasons, but I want to hear yours first...so which is it?

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Jake Raby
post Nov 16 2005, 07:40 PM
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First off where are the specs for these warmed over 2.7 engines?? Doesn't anyone have any flywheel HP graphs like I do?? Certainly these guys dyno their engines, but where are the sheets that prove it ACROSS THE POWER BAND? I wanna see numbers from 2500 RPM upto and beyond redline kinda like this example
(IMG:http://www.aircooledtechnology.com/customers/apokrandt/apokrandtdyno.JPG)

The reason I ask is the fact that you can throw peak HP and TQ numbers away for an AX engine, what matters is what the engine makes at a usable RPM! I tell guys all the time (even my road racers) that they should not even worry about the peak HP numbers because they ONLY see that RPM maybe twice on the track and one is at the end of the straight for maybe 3 seconds or so of a 1:30-1:45 lap- so how worthless is that number to the general performance of the engine.

Find me some graphs- not peak numbers in a book and I'll find comparable graphs in my archives of about 600 engines and then we'll compare prices-

Thats the only way we can compare anything- period.

As for longevity- well with composite lifters, Nickies and some coatings and our updated valvetrain the wear is about the same as a SIX- some of my engines go 4-5 seasons of dual purpose street/ AX driving before I recommend scheduled maintenance. The only thing that breaks them are guys that don't set up their oil system correctly, or missed shifts. We now have FP engines that run a solid national season and only need scheduled maintenance and thats a 180HP+ 1800cc engine heavily limited by class rules. In days past these engines had a life span of FOUR HOURS before needing a rebuild! Now we go a whole season and only have a 4% leakdown and no failed parts.
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Britain Smith   914/6 vs. 914/4 AX Performance   Nov 15 2005, 11:02 PM
Andyrew   Well, a T4 can make a bunch of tq (autox good) and...   Nov 15 2005, 11:06 PM
SirAndy     Nov 16 2005, 12:00 AM
nebreitling   if i were building an AX-only car it'd be a /4...   Nov 16 2005, 12:01 AM
gregrobbins  
  Nov 16 2005, 12:04 AM
airsix   http://www.914world.co...   Nov 16 2005, 12:47 AM
r_towle  
  Nov 16 2005, 01:16 AM
Air_Cooled_Nut  
  Nov 16 2005, 01:31 AM
SirAndy   the initial question was about "compareable" cars....   Nov 16 2005, 02:16 AM
nine14cats   ouch...I stand corrected..... ht...   Nov 16 2005, 02:30 AM
URY914   <...   Nov 16 2005, 10:04 AM
trekkor  
  Nov 16 2005, 10:55 AM
Jake Raby   ...   Nov 16 2005, 11:02 AM
Demick   <...   Nov 16 2005, 11:18 AM
Britain Smith   Well, this discussion got a little out of hand...b...   Nov 16 2005, 11:21 AM
Jake Raby   It has a TON to do with the way both engines are p...   Nov 16 2005, 11:40 AM
SirAndy  
  Nov 16 2005, 12:23 PM
Demick   <...   Nov 16 2005, 12:47 PM
Rough_Rider   IMHO two equally prepped chassis, with good suspen...   Nov 16 2005, 01:19 PM
Randal   If you do the math (power to weight ratio) and hav...   Nov 16 2005, 01:39 PM
J P Stein   This is all a bit absurd, really.....no need to ge...   Nov 16 2005, 01:52 PM
Jake Raby     Nov 16 2005, 01:59 PM
Randal     Nov 16 2005, 02:08 PM
nine14cats   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/ht...   Nov 16 2005, 04:42 PM
nebreitling   i gotta go with randal on this one. even given id...   Nov 16 2005, 04:50 PM
Root_Werks   More wieght = harder to change dirrection. So if ...   Nov 16 2005, 04:53 PM
Jake Raby   The other -4 guys that don't want a six like d...   Nov 16 2005, 05:31 PM
J P Stein   Basically what you guys want is some way to build ...   Nov 16 2005, 06:44 PM
J P Stein   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/e...   Nov 16 2005, 07:34 PM
Jake Raby   First off where are the specs for these warmed ove...   Nov 16 2005, 07:40 PM
Demick     Nov 16 2005, 08:01 PM
nebreitling     Nov 16 2005, 08:11 PM
trekkor   Nathan update the final results of the 914cup ...   Nov 16 2005, 11:27 PM
J P Stein   <...   Nov 17 2005, 09:02 PM
Britain Smith   <...   Nov 18 2005, 09:15 PM
trekkor   I'll always a/x... http://www.9...   Nov 18 2005, 09:32 PM
J P Stein   <...   Nov 18 2005, 11:38 PM
J P Stein   I'm always harsh with Trekkor...otherwise he i...   Nov 18 2005, 11:53 PM
trekkor   Nah, I went to bed early last night.

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