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| ChrisFoley |
Dec 16 2005, 06:19 PM
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I am Tangerine Racing ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 8,016 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None
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Specifically I am looking for rotational stiffness (ie. twist) of the trailing arm due to the tire contact patch resisting sideways sliding of the car. I'm only interested in forces greater than 1G during cornering.
I already know what happens but go ahead and take a guess. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I'll post pictures of my test fixture shortly. |
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| ChrisFoley |
Dec 17 2005, 03:22 PM
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I am Tangerine Racing ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 8,016 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None
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OK
I did some more experiments this morning. The first thing I did was to rotate the trailing arm vertical so I could easily apply a load to induce lateral deflection. I was all alone so I couldn't make accurate measurements but the deflection is similar to the twisting deflection under the same loads. If anything it was slightly less. Personally I don't think lateral deflection is a problem as I am pretty sure the force component in that direction is much smaller. I thought about my setup for a long time before actually assembling anything. Even though it appears to make significant compromises compared to what happens in the real world I am pretty sure it would be tough to make a major qualitative improvement over what I have. However making quantitative improvements wouldn't be too hard. I don't know if the load I am using is correct, and a digital level isn't as accurate as a dial indicator. OTOH, that is the same digital level I use to set up the suspension on the car and I am really only after comparative data, not detailed design analysis. Since I was working alone I decided to standardize my forces and make it possible to read the level while under load. That meant I replaced my body weight on the lever arm with a stack of steel pieces adding up to about 220 lbs. The only shortcoming to this method is I can't observe the deflection as it occurs. I can only read the level to see the final effect. Good enough for now. So I repeated yesterday's test with my standardized load and measured a deflection of 1.1 degrees. Next I replaced the trailing arm with a boxed trailing arm and the deflection was 0.8 degrees under load. Finally tested my idea for a reinforced trailing arm. Using just on piece of sheet steel that weighed 4 ounces and measured approximately 3x4 inches I was able to make an equivalent improvement to just 0.8 degrees of deflection on the original trailing arm. That compares to about 2 lbs of sheet metal used for a boxed arm, and a corresponding smaller amount of welding which means less distortion of the trailing arm. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
Racer Chris How flexible do you think a stock, trailing arm is Dec 16 2005, 06:19 PM
TimT Chris the trailing arm appears to be a pretty sto... Dec 16 2005, 06:25 PM
J P Stein WAG:
1 deg @500 lbs.
I'm assuming you're ... Dec 16 2005, 06:26 PM
airsix What exactly do you mean by "1G". I'm sure you... Dec 16 2005, 07:09 PM
ppickerell Chris,
Do you intend to test before and after boxi... Dec 16 2005, 07:41 PM
Dave_Darling I'm guessing that most of the flex happens in ... Dec 16 2005, 07:54 PM
spare time toys My guess is it has flex designed into it at an amo... Dec 16 2005, 08:08 PM
Racer Chris So far JP is the only one really on the right trac... Dec 16 2005, 08:24 PM
Racer Chris Then I attached a 5ft piece of structural tubing t... Dec 16 2005, 08:26 PM
Racer Chris by putting a 200lb man's weight at the end of ... Dec 16 2005, 08:32 PM
Racer Chris I had a friend sit on the end of the tube and saw ... Dec 16 2005, 08:34 PM
Racer Chris I have several more tests planned already.
1) meas... Dec 16 2005, 08:40 PM
TimT Put the level on the trailing arm, not the lever
... Dec 16 2005, 08:41 PM
TimT and yes I see the angle you have welded on the bo... Dec 16 2005, 08:42 PM
SpecialK ....go on.... http://www.914wor... Dec 16 2005, 08:43 PM
andys Chris,
This is exactly the kind of testing requir... Dec 16 2005, 08:57 PM
goose2 If you mount the level in various locations on the... Dec 16 2005, 09:06 PM
TimT