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post Feb 28 2006, 02:31 AM
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tried running some searches on this but didnt find what i needed. how can i trim some weight off the 914. all i can come up with is:

fiberglass hood, trunk, 916 front and rear bumber and fender flares. how much do you think these changes will make and does anyone any other ideas for taking weight off.
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post Feb 28 2006, 02:33 PM
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James,

your right I'm over reacting again.
buying light weight parts isn't rocket science.


I agree with the fixed window comments and lexan.
it scratches EASILY... I wouldn't put wipers on it. In fact your not supposed to wash it without a special plastic cleaner and special rags.. so it would be better used in fixed windows, like the rear window. but then that brings up a new problem in that it probably won't fit the seal and then you might have a water leak.. etc... etc..

I'd concentrate any weight savings on comfort items.
insulation tar
lighter components to replace heavier (steering wheel, aluminum crossmember, wheels, seats)

and to answer your question about being on track
most drivers ed clubs will let you on track without full safety gear. Most wheel to wheel race organizations will not.

SCCA autox will no doubt allow all of your fiberglass modifications, but will probably bump you into a modified class.

everyone says to read the rules first for exactly this reason. when I build my first 914 at age 15years, we had a neighbor who was a nationally known formula vee engine builder. He built my motor for cost. I thought I was so cool. only problem is that he put a cam into the motor for me.

a year couple of years later I started doing drivers education through PCA. found out that my "cam" bumped me into a high class. we had classes 1 through 16 and my cam bumped me into class 14 even though it really only gave me about 5-10hp max. My local club would have put my non cammed car into class 2 instead of 14.

So I started doing events and was absolutely blown away.

here I was in a full street car with full heat, defrost and all... going against cars with at least 100 more HP than me, and tires at least twice as wide, with chassis that weighed at least 500lbs less.

needless to say I was blown away.

it was ok for about 2 years because of the learning curve and just learning basic skills, but after about 2 years you want to start putting up a good showing and being competetive.

so I had to start over with a new motor and building to a particular set of rules.

my new car is the same thing.
I had to carefully pick my rules and build an entire car only to those rules...

I'm going over board.
you can always unbolt fiberglass.
I just recommend reading the rules to everyone, because once you have 4K into your body and paint, it won't be too fun to have to put on your old hoods in order to jump down a class.

I think Joe just learned this lesson in the last 12 months too.

the best financial advice I can give regarding cars and learning about track driving, is to keep the car in a "stock" class for at least 2 years. Focus all of your time and money on the safety equiptment and driving skill. Don't do anything that will bump you out of the class that car will fall into as it is. Your skills will grow AMAZINGLY as a beginner because your on the steep end of the bell curve. you'd be surprised how much difference the driver can make.

then after a couple of years experience you will know what you want to do with the car and what all of the rules do or don't allow.

at that point you can invest your money once (instead of twice) or even sell the car for NO loss and buy one that is already in a class you want.

focus on things that are legal. suspension things, and modifications that don't make the car unuseable.

brant
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ModPR3   decreasing 914 weight   Feb 28 2006, 02:31 AM
Andyrew   Probably about 100 total... depending on car.. Do...   Feb 28 2006, 02:42 AM
SirAndy     Feb 28 2006, 02:46 AM
ModPR3   <...   Feb 28 2006, 03:07 AM
Joe Ricard   Panasport wheels are lite and cool. Tar on floor ...   Feb 28 2006, 06:29 AM
turboman808   be nice to have a sticky post on the subject.   Feb 28 2006, 09:02 AM
johannes     Feb 28 2006, 09:51 AM
Brett W   Put lexan in the stock early doors and it will wei...   Feb 28 2006, 10:12 AM
michel richard   The late doors have side-impact beams and a differ...   Feb 28 2006, 10:13 AM
lapuwali   '73 and later doors have side-impact beams in ...   Feb 28 2006, 10:19 AM
johannes  
  Feb 28 2006, 10:26 AM
Joe Ricard   Ya mean I can't keep using rattle cans on my r...   Feb 28 2006, 10:41 AM
grantsfo   As stated above fiberglass or carbonfiber hood and...   Feb 28 2006, 10:53 AM
Joe Ricard   So Grant, what do you figure you got your car down...   Feb 28 2006, 11:27 AM
Brett W   In my opinion until you get really radical, you ca...   Feb 28 2006, 12:03 PM
brant   read your intended club rules closely before touch...   Feb 28 2006, 12:04 PM
Brett W   Acid dip the chassis and all associated body parts...   Feb 28 2006, 12:07 PM
ModPR3   <...   Feb 28 2006, 12:19 PM
brant   ...   Feb 28 2006, 12:20 PM
ModPR3   thanks for all the help you all really answered my...   Feb 28 2006, 12:27 PM
ChrisNPDrider   I'm doing a lot of this weight reduction too -...   Feb 28 2006, 12:54 PM
lapuwali   On track days, it depends on the organization you ...   Feb 28 2006, 12:57 PM
johannes   I have also seen lightweight targa roofs ... ( whe...   Feb 28 2006, 01:20 PM
ModPR3   whats lexan like: does it fog up easy, how does it...   Feb 28 2006, 01:37 PM
Mueller     Feb 28 2006, 01:47 PM
lapuwali     Feb 28 2006, 01:53 PM
brant   James, your right I'm over reacting again. b...   Feb 28 2006, 02:33 PM
grantsfo     Feb 28 2006, 03:15 PM
Andyrew   <...   Feb 28 2006, 03:23 PM
ModPR3   anyone know what these wheels weigh and why pelica...   Feb 28 2006, 03:23 PM
Andyrew   Riviera's. pretty heavy, there mag wheels.. T...   Feb 28 2006, 03:28 PM
ModPR3   <...   Feb 28 2006, 03:31 PM
Mueller     Feb 28 2006, 03:31 PM
ModPR3   guesstimate time: starting point: 1975 914 1.8 al...   Feb 28 2006, 03:39 PM
nine14cats   Here's some links to my weight loss project on...   Feb 28 2006, 03:45 PM
Mueller     Feb 28 2006, 04:07 PM
Andyrew     Feb 28 2006, 04:17 PM
lapuwali   Probably 2050lbs or thereabouts, tank empty. If y...   Feb 28 2006, 04:18 PM
ModPR3   ...   Feb 28 2006, 04:33 PM
ModPR3   why are the 70-72 cars so much lighter. i heard ab...   Feb 28 2006, 04:37 PM
Mueller     Feb 28 2006, 04:51 PM
ModPR3   <...   Feb 28 2006, 05:00 PM
rhodyguy   the rust on your car (as mentioned in your post 3 ...   Feb 28 2006, 05:07 PM
ModPR3   ...   Feb 28 2006, 05:08 PM
Mueller     Feb 28 2006, 05:08 PM
ModPR3   thanks the more info i get the more im learning. m...   Feb 28 2006, 05:20 PM
McMark   I don't understand if you want a light car to ...   Feb 28 2006, 05:21 PM
McMark   You won't find wheels in any store. You need ...   Feb 28 2006, 05:22 PM
ModPR3   definitely cool/fun/bragging.   Feb 28 2006, 05:24 PM
ModPR3     Feb 28 2006, 05:27 PM
Andyrew   8's and 7's will fit fine on gt flares. Yo...   Feb 28 2006, 05:28 PM
Mueller     Feb 28 2006, 05:30 PM
ModPR3   as with each post i make i find that alot of my id...   Feb 28 2006, 05:40 PM
brant   your going to struggle to find wheels. the cost e...   Feb 28 2006, 05:41 PM
grantsfo   The 1975 you have is fine. The extra weight in yo...   Feb 28 2006, 05:52 PM


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