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> someone please write a dissertation on LSD's, Quaife, ZF, torsen, lockers, phantom's..
Aaron Cox
post Mar 4 2006, 09:53 PM
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blows my mind... im interested in how each one works, and the effects of it on acceleration (lock unlock etc) for each of them....

would be a great wealth of knowledge to have in one place....


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post Mar 5 2006, 08:24 AM
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One more thing..
in a conversation with Paul Guard directly he admitted to me that the standard 911 rule of thumb does not necessarily apply to a mid engined car like the 914.

Its a commonly held belief that the clutch type is better on a track and the Torque Biasing type is better in autox.

However, in low horsepower cars my race GURU did testing and found that despite this commonly held belief they were picking up significant time on track using the same car with the Torque Biasing style.

As you can imagine, this left me confused.
I spoke with Paul Guard about it and he confirmed that there is a difference in application between a 911 and 914 and that the Torque biasing could be better on track in a 914 under some conditions (like low level of HP)

so I'm on the waitlist like JP

The TB does not have clutches and works differently.. very differntly than a ZF style

here is the ATB propaganda:
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The Quaife torque biasing differential enables your car to accelerate quicker and corner faster. How?

By getting the power to the ground!

The Quaife Differential powers both drive wheels under nearly all conditions, instead of just one. With an ordinary open differential, standard on most cars, a lot of precious power is wasted during wheelspin under acceleration. This happens because the open differential shifts power to the wheel with less grip (along the path of least resistance). The Quaife, however, does just the opposite. It senses which wheel has the better grip, and biases the power to that wheel. It does this smoothly and constantly, and without ever completely removing power from the other wheel.

In drag-race style, straight-line acceleration runs, this results in a close to ideal 50/50 power split to both drive wheels, resulting in essentially twice the grip of an ordinary differential (they don't call open diffs "peglegs" for nothing).

In cornering, while accelerating out of a turn, the Quaife biases power to the outside wheel, reducing inside-wheel spin. This allows the driver to begin accelerating earlier, exiting the corner at a higher speed.

The Quaife also controls loss of traction when the front wheels are on slippery surfaces such as ice and snow or mud, providing the appropriate biased traction needed to overcome these adverse conditions. The Quaife Differential provides constant and infinitely variable drive. Power is transferred automatically without the use of normal friction pads or plates seen in other limited-slip designs.

The Quaife's unique design offers maximum traction, improves handling and steering, and puts the power where it is needed most. A definite advantage whether on the track or on the street.

The Quaife is extremely strong and durable and since the Quaife is gear operated, it has no plates or clutches that can wear out and need costly replacement.

The Quaife is great for street driving or racing. Racers don't have to put up with locking mechanisms or spools that created unwanted understeer under power, or in the case of front-drive cars, even tear the steering wheel out of their hands when cornering. Because it behaves like an open differential during ordinary driving, street drivers will have trouble telling it's there until pushing the car's limits.

The Quaife has been proven in everything from SCCA Rally to Formula 1. It provides autocrossers with such an advantage, it has become "required" equipment for a winning effort.
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Aaron Cox   someone please write a dissertation on LSD's   Mar 4 2006, 09:53 PM
TimT   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/h...   Mar 4 2006, 09:56 PM
Aaron Cox   tim, you can sing about LSD's if thats your st...   Mar 4 2006, 09:57 PM
TimT   Not sure what your looking for exactly... As LSDs...   Mar 4 2006, 10:01 PM
SLITS   1. Put tiny piece of designed square paper onto to...   Mar 4 2006, 10:02 PM
Aaron Cox     Mar 4 2006, 10:02 PM
J P Stein   The only thing I know about LSDs is that I have ha...   Mar 4 2006, 10:11 PM
pek771   http://auto.howstuffworks.com/differential.htm Th...   Mar 4 2006, 10:20 PM
Aaron Cox     Mar 4 2006, 10:30 PM
alpha434   Dude. Where's the young gun action? You have t...   Mar 4 2006, 10:31 PM
alpha434   ...   Mar 4 2006, 10:35 PM
pek771   Regarding the Phantom Grip... I looked at their we...   Mar 4 2006, 11:01 PM
bondo     Mar 4 2006, 11:06 PM
alpha434   Could be. I've actually never worked on an ame...   Mar 4 2006, 11:10 PM
bondo   Limited slip Locker   Mar 4 2006, 11:12 PM
alpha434   Yeah. My definition of posi-trac was hearsay from ...   Mar 4 2006, 11:20 PM
Dr. Roger   one strange thing about lockers is that if you go ...   Mar 4 2006, 11:29 PM
alpha434   ...   Mar 4 2006, 11:33 PM
sixnotfour   18 types to choose from;Use the "select diiff. " b...   Mar 4 2006, 11:38 PM
pek771   It seems the useful combinations we would consider...   Mar 4 2006, 11:47 PM
campbellcj   There have been a bunch of detailed differential t...   Mar 5 2006, 12:00 AM
KenH   Arron - not sure I can answer all, or any of your ...   Mar 5 2006, 01:51 AM
brant     Mar 5 2006, 07:58 AM
brant   One more thing.. in a conversation with Paul Guard...   Mar 5 2006, 08:24 AM
kdfoust   I've made my descision for my big track car (9...   Mar 5 2006, 03:11 PM


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