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> OT: how far we've come?, 35 years of non-progress
lapuwali
post Mar 7 2006, 01:31 PM
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Hybrids are the buzzword now, and people marvel at how the latest Civic hybrid gets 50mpg.

Autoweek had a short article on the early Civics, which got 55mpg with a carb. 1.2L, 50hp, 1500lbs. Sure, they were slow, but they were described as still being fun to drive. The way most people drive modern Civics, I doubt they'd notice if they suddenly only had 50hp.

(yes, I know emissions are much better, it's quieter, it crashes better, yada, yada...)

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What I find amazing is that the Japanese car companies are the only ones who foresaw that the price of fossil fuel was rising....AGAIN...

This is history repeating itself...remember in the 70's when honda and toyota took over the car sales market by selling what people wanted...good looking, fun, and great gas mileage...

Well here we are again, a new generation of GM and Ford managers...all who apparently cannot read...
Lexus (toyota) finally is making a good looking hybrid...at least they will be good looking now.

I agree with andy...if honda and toyota can make a car that gets 50-75 mpg...WTF, all cars should be getting that kind of mileage..
Trucks should get 30-40mpg..

It seems that the car manufacturers are still looking at a market that does not exist...build a GTO, or a Mustang..20 mpg, sell 100k and feel good...
Or build a good looking reliable hybrid...sell 2Mm and get rich.

I feel bad for Ford and GM...they just dont seem to get it, yet they are crying poor...selling off parts of the company to stay alive...yet they still keep making gas guzzlers (put in perspective...60mpg versus 30 mpg

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lapuwali   OT: how far we've come?   Mar 7 2006, 01:31 PM
SirAndy   <...   Mar 7 2006, 01:42 PM
TonyAKAVW     Mar 7 2006, 01:50 PM
turboman808   yeah kinda noticed the same thing. What gets me t...   Mar 7 2006, 01:53 PM
Mark Henry   ...   Mar 7 2006, 01:58 PM
mudfoot76     Mar 7 2006, 02:01 PM
lapuwali   The 50mpg Civic hybrid weighs 2800lbs, or 1300lbs ...   Mar 7 2006, 02:06 PM
byndbad914   werd... my dad had a 1984 Ford Escort with a Mazda...   Mar 7 2006, 02:07 PM
Joe Ricard   .....Well hey... i'd like a hummer....but not ...   Mar 7 2006, 02:08 PM
Cap'n Krusty   You might think a bit about Japanese manufacturers...   Mar 7 2006, 02:12 PM
TonyAKAVW   Regarding the ethanol fuel cars... Somone was tell...   Mar 7 2006, 02:15 PM
MrKona   I'm amazed at how powerful the average car is ...   Mar 7 2006, 02:17 PM
riverman     Mar 7 2006, 02:25 PM
SoCal Driver   I had a thought a while back.... If hybrid cars a...   Mar 7 2006, 02:26 PM
blitZ     Mar 7 2006, 02:36 PM
JmuRiz   ...   Mar 7 2006, 03:34 PM
fiid   <...   Mar 7 2006, 03:42 PM
anthony   People keep mentioning diesels. The reason we don...   Mar 7 2006, 03:47 PM
lapuwali     Mar 7 2006, 03:59 PM
Mike D.   <...   Mar 7 2006, 04:49 PM
kart54   I'm amazed at people that believe the mantra o...   Mar 7 2006, 05:16 PM
wbergtho   Two reasons for cars being heavier these days. 1: ...   Mar 7 2006, 05:51 PM
byndbad914   Wow - there were actually 2 Escort diesels built ...   Mar 7 2006, 07:48 PM
fiid   Biodiesel is a good thing IMHO. It's good bec...   Mar 7 2006, 08:26 PM
anthony  
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jimtab   ...   Mar 7 2006, 11:56 PM
johnmhudson111   <...   Mar 8 2006, 12:02 AM
jonwatts   Today's Mercury News has this article about gr...   Mar 8 2006, 01:00 AM
alpha434   ...   Mar 8 2006, 01:06 AM
Porcharu     Mar 8 2006, 08:27 AM
johannes   Why big cars ? The answer is easy ... gas is too c...   Mar 8 2006, 08:58 AM
DonTraver   Actually the price for premium in Europe is over ...   Mar 8 2006, 11:04 AM
anthony   What about those articles that came out against et...   Mar 8 2006, 11:21 AM
Pistachio   Dated material. The Cornell study was published i...   Mar 8 2006, 12:16 PM
fiid   One of the things that is interesting about the et...   Mar 8 2006, 12:30 PM
SirAndy     Mar 8 2006, 12:44 PM
lapuwali   ...   Mar 8 2006, 12:50 PM
Nick   The problem with ethanol is it takes more energy t...   Mar 8 2006, 12:52 PM
charlesmac   For all of us who feel only the deepest love and a...   Mar 8 2006, 12:55 PM
lapuwali     Mar 8 2006, 01:00 PM
fiid   <...   Mar 8 2006, 01:18 PM
lapuwali     Mar 8 2006, 01:51 PM
fiid   Incidently - Megasquirt has "Flexfuel" sensor supp...   Mar 8 2006, 02:07 PM
Flat VW   As has been said in threads of the past, the singl...   Mar 8 2006, 02:09 PM
Thorshammer   I just reviewed this thread, and Rich T is right o...   Mar 8 2006, 02:10 PM
Pistachio   <...   Mar 8 2006, 02:15 PM
Porcharu   <...   Mar 8 2006, 02:19 PM
Porcharu   <...   Mar 8 2006, 02:56 PM
byndbad914   this o/t thread is turning into a pretty good one ...   Mar 8 2006, 03:37 PM
kwales   Here is a wild one. When in college, one of my pr...   Mar 8 2006, 04:16 PM
riverman     Mar 8 2006, 04:31 PM
alpha434   <...   Mar 8 2006, 05:01 PM
lapuwali   The "costs more energy to produce than it puts out...   Mar 8 2006, 05:10 PM
newto914s   When you think about it, the basic design of the i...   Mar 8 2006, 05:35 PM
lapuwali   ...   Mar 8 2006, 06:01 PM
TimT   My daily driver is a diesel p/u I run BIO every ...   Mar 8 2006, 06:02 PM
rick 918-S   We tried the ethenol in the Titan when the gas wen...   Mar 8 2006, 06:42 PM
bd1308   well look at it this way.... we're taking mon...   Mar 8 2006, 06:54 PM
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