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> OT: how far we've come?, 35 years of non-progress
lapuwali
post Mar 7 2006, 01:31 PM
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Hybrids are the buzzword now, and people marvel at how the latest Civic hybrid gets 50mpg.

Autoweek had a short article on the early Civics, which got 55mpg with a carb. 1.2L, 50hp, 1500lbs. Sure, they were slow, but they were described as still being fun to drive. The way most people drive modern Civics, I doubt they'd notice if they suddenly only had 50hp.

(yes, I know emissions are much better, it's quieter, it crashes better, yada, yada...)

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QUOTE (lapuwali @ Mar 7 2006, 04:59 PM)
QUOTE (anthony @ Mar 7 2006, 01:47 PM)
People keep mentioning diesels. The reason we don't make more diesels is because of the relatively high particulate emmisions.

WAS the reason. I'm led to understand this has been fixed for several years in European cars (where they have LOTS of diesels), but hasn't appeared here, largely because the EPA is still using the same data you are to decide diesels are too dirty.


If I remember right the EPA is changing the regulations that concern diesel fuel to match or get closer to the European standard. The heavy truck manufactuers are having a number of issues getting engines to perform using the new standard.
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lapuwali   OT: how far we've come?   Mar 7 2006, 01:31 PM
SirAndy   <...   Mar 7 2006, 01:42 PM
TonyAKAVW     Mar 7 2006, 01:50 PM
r_towle   What I find amazing is that the Japanese car compa...   Mar 7 2006, 01:51 PM
turboman808   yeah kinda noticed the same thing. What gets me t...   Mar 7 2006, 01:53 PM
Mark Henry   ...   Mar 7 2006, 01:58 PM
mudfoot76     Mar 7 2006, 02:01 PM
lapuwali   The 50mpg Civic hybrid weighs 2800lbs, or 1300lbs ...   Mar 7 2006, 02:06 PM
byndbad914   werd... my dad had a 1984 Ford Escort with a Mazda...   Mar 7 2006, 02:07 PM
Joe Ricard   .....Well hey... i'd like a hummer....but not ...   Mar 7 2006, 02:08 PM
Cap'n Krusty   You might think a bit about Japanese manufacturers...   Mar 7 2006, 02:12 PM
TonyAKAVW   Regarding the ethanol fuel cars... Somone was tell...   Mar 7 2006, 02:15 PM
MrKona   I'm amazed at how powerful the average car is ...   Mar 7 2006, 02:17 PM
riverman     Mar 7 2006, 02:25 PM
SoCal Driver   I had a thought a while back.... If hybrid cars a...   Mar 7 2006, 02:26 PM
blitZ     Mar 7 2006, 02:36 PM
JmuRiz   ...   Mar 7 2006, 03:34 PM
fiid   <...   Mar 7 2006, 03:42 PM
anthony   People keep mentioning diesels. The reason we don...   Mar 7 2006, 03:47 PM
lapuwali     Mar 7 2006, 03:59 PM
Mike D.   <...   Mar 7 2006, 04:49 PM
kart54   I'm amazed at people that believe the mantra o...   Mar 7 2006, 05:16 PM
wbergtho   Two reasons for cars being heavier these days. 1: ...   Mar 7 2006, 05:51 PM
byndbad914   Wow - there were actually 2 Escort diesels built ...   Mar 7 2006, 07:48 PM
fiid   Biodiesel is a good thing IMHO. It's good bec...   Mar 7 2006, 08:26 PM
anthony  
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jimtab   ...   Mar 7 2006, 11:56 PM
johnmhudson111   <...   Mar 8 2006, 12:02 AM
jonwatts   Today's Mercury News has this article about gr...   Mar 8 2006, 01:00 AM
alpha434   ...   Mar 8 2006, 01:06 AM
Porcharu     Mar 8 2006, 08:27 AM
johannes   Why big cars ? The answer is easy ... gas is too c...   Mar 8 2006, 08:58 AM
DonTraver   Actually the price for premium in Europe is over ...   Mar 8 2006, 11:04 AM
anthony   What about those articles that came out against et...   Mar 8 2006, 11:21 AM
Pistachio   Dated material. The Cornell study was published i...   Mar 8 2006, 12:16 PM
fiid   One of the things that is interesting about the et...   Mar 8 2006, 12:30 PM
SirAndy     Mar 8 2006, 12:44 PM
lapuwali   ...   Mar 8 2006, 12:50 PM
Nick   The problem with ethanol is it takes more energy t...   Mar 8 2006, 12:52 PM
charlesmac   For all of us who feel only the deepest love and a...   Mar 8 2006, 12:55 PM
lapuwali     Mar 8 2006, 01:00 PM
fiid   <...   Mar 8 2006, 01:18 PM
lapuwali     Mar 8 2006, 01:51 PM
fiid   Incidently - Megasquirt has "Flexfuel" sensor supp...   Mar 8 2006, 02:07 PM
Flat VW   As has been said in threads of the past, the singl...   Mar 8 2006, 02:09 PM
Thorshammer   I just reviewed this thread, and Rich T is right o...   Mar 8 2006, 02:10 PM
Pistachio   <...   Mar 8 2006, 02:15 PM
Porcharu   <...   Mar 8 2006, 02:19 PM
Porcharu   <...   Mar 8 2006, 02:56 PM
byndbad914   this o/t thread is turning into a pretty good one ...   Mar 8 2006, 03:37 PM
kwales   Here is a wild one. When in college, one of my pr...   Mar 8 2006, 04:16 PM
riverman     Mar 8 2006, 04:31 PM
alpha434   <...   Mar 8 2006, 05:01 PM
lapuwali   The "costs more energy to produce than it puts out...   Mar 8 2006, 05:10 PM
newto914s   When you think about it, the basic design of the i...   Mar 8 2006, 05:35 PM
lapuwali   ...   Mar 8 2006, 06:01 PM
TimT   My daily driver is a diesel p/u I run BIO every ...   Mar 8 2006, 06:02 PM
rick 918-S   We tried the ethenol in the Titan when the gas wen...   Mar 8 2006, 06:42 PM
bd1308   well look at it this way.... we're taking mon...   Mar 8 2006, 06:54 PM
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