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> OT: how far we've come?, 35 years of non-progress
lapuwali
post Mar 7 2006, 01:31 PM
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Hybrids are the buzzword now, and people marvel at how the latest Civic hybrid gets 50mpg.

Autoweek had a short article on the early Civics, which got 55mpg with a carb. 1.2L, 50hp, 1500lbs. Sure, they were slow, but they were described as still being fun to drive. The way most people drive modern Civics, I doubt they'd notice if they suddenly only had 50hp.

(yes, I know emissions are much better, it's quieter, it crashes better, yada, yada...)

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post Mar 8 2006, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE (riverman @ Mar 8 2006, 02:31 PM)
QUOTE (kwales @ Mar 8 2006, 05:16 PM)
Here is a wild one.  When in college, one of my professors was big on the Powersat poposal.  This was a proposal to build a satellite with about 25 square miles of solar cells, collect solar energy and beam it down to the earth via microwaves.  

Microwave power transmission/reception efficiency has improved to where it is quite feasable to do this.  Dr. A suggested beaming the microwave beam down to someplace where it could do no harm- say a imddle eastern desert near the sea and use the power to seperate hydrogen and oxygen from seawater.  Release the oxygen and liquify the hydrogen.   Use the port facillities already in existance and use the liquid natural gas tankers to transport the liqid hydrogen to burn.

Dr. A was a nuclear physicist, one of Dr. Teller's 12 disciples, and on the shuttle review board.  He always said they were gonna lose at least one shuttle.

Burn one hydrogen with two oxygens produces..... water vapor... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif)

Ken

Sounds good on paper. But wouldn't we be adding energy to the earth's atmosphere by doing this?

The solar energy collected and then beamed to earth would be solar energy that would have missed the earth anyway. But by collecting it and then transporting it into our environment it has to go somewhere. Since energy can not be created or destroyed and we would be importing this energy from outside earth's own energy cycle, would not the end effect be further global warming and increased environmental damage?

It's controlled energy. I'm sure it would be ok, as long as the "exhaust" also finds it's way back into space.
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lapuwali   OT: how far we've come?   Mar 7 2006, 01:31 PM
SirAndy   <...   Mar 7 2006, 01:42 PM
TonyAKAVW     Mar 7 2006, 01:50 PM
r_towle   What I find amazing is that the Japanese car compa...   Mar 7 2006, 01:51 PM
turboman808   yeah kinda noticed the same thing. What gets me t...   Mar 7 2006, 01:53 PM
Mark Henry   ...   Mar 7 2006, 01:58 PM
mudfoot76     Mar 7 2006, 02:01 PM
lapuwali   The 50mpg Civic hybrid weighs 2800lbs, or 1300lbs ...   Mar 7 2006, 02:06 PM
byndbad914   werd... my dad had a 1984 Ford Escort with a Mazda...   Mar 7 2006, 02:07 PM
Joe Ricard   .....Well hey... i'd like a hummer....but not ...   Mar 7 2006, 02:08 PM
Cap'n Krusty   You might think a bit about Japanese manufacturers...   Mar 7 2006, 02:12 PM
TonyAKAVW   Regarding the ethanol fuel cars... Somone was tell...   Mar 7 2006, 02:15 PM
MrKona   I'm amazed at how powerful the average car is ...   Mar 7 2006, 02:17 PM
riverman     Mar 7 2006, 02:25 PM
SoCal Driver   I had a thought a while back.... If hybrid cars a...   Mar 7 2006, 02:26 PM
blitZ     Mar 7 2006, 02:36 PM
JmuRiz   ...   Mar 7 2006, 03:34 PM
fiid   <...   Mar 7 2006, 03:42 PM
anthony   People keep mentioning diesels. The reason we don...   Mar 7 2006, 03:47 PM
lapuwali     Mar 7 2006, 03:59 PM
Mike D.   <...   Mar 7 2006, 04:49 PM
kart54   I'm amazed at people that believe the mantra o...   Mar 7 2006, 05:16 PM
wbergtho   Two reasons for cars being heavier these days. 1: ...   Mar 7 2006, 05:51 PM
byndbad914   Wow - there were actually 2 Escort diesels built ...   Mar 7 2006, 07:48 PM
fiid   Biodiesel is a good thing IMHO. It's good bec...   Mar 7 2006, 08:26 PM
anthony  
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jimtab   ...   Mar 7 2006, 11:56 PM
johnmhudson111   <...   Mar 8 2006, 12:02 AM
jonwatts   Today's Mercury News has this article about gr...   Mar 8 2006, 01:00 AM
alpha434   ...   Mar 8 2006, 01:06 AM
Porcharu     Mar 8 2006, 08:27 AM
johannes   Why big cars ? The answer is easy ... gas is too c...   Mar 8 2006, 08:58 AM
DonTraver   Actually the price for premium in Europe is over ...   Mar 8 2006, 11:04 AM
anthony   What about those articles that came out against et...   Mar 8 2006, 11:21 AM
Pistachio   Dated material. The Cornell study was published i...   Mar 8 2006, 12:16 PM
fiid   One of the things that is interesting about the et...   Mar 8 2006, 12:30 PM
SirAndy     Mar 8 2006, 12:44 PM
lapuwali   ...   Mar 8 2006, 12:50 PM
Nick   The problem with ethanol is it takes more energy t...   Mar 8 2006, 12:52 PM
charlesmac   For all of us who feel only the deepest love and a...   Mar 8 2006, 12:55 PM
lapuwali     Mar 8 2006, 01:00 PM
fiid   <...   Mar 8 2006, 01:18 PM
lapuwali     Mar 8 2006, 01:51 PM
fiid   Incidently - Megasquirt has "Flexfuel" sensor supp...   Mar 8 2006, 02:07 PM
Flat VW   As has been said in threads of the past, the singl...   Mar 8 2006, 02:09 PM
Thorshammer   I just reviewed this thread, and Rich T is right o...   Mar 8 2006, 02:10 PM
Pistachio   <...   Mar 8 2006, 02:15 PM
Porcharu   <...   Mar 8 2006, 02:19 PM
Porcharu   <...   Mar 8 2006, 02:56 PM
byndbad914   this o/t thread is turning into a pretty good one ...   Mar 8 2006, 03:37 PM
kwales   Here is a wild one. When in college, one of my pr...   Mar 8 2006, 04:16 PM
riverman     Mar 8 2006, 04:31 PM
alpha434   <...   Mar 8 2006, 05:01 PM
lapuwali   The "costs more energy to produce than it puts out...   Mar 8 2006, 05:10 PM
newto914s   When you think about it, the basic design of the i...   Mar 8 2006, 05:35 PM
lapuwali   ...   Mar 8 2006, 06:01 PM
TimT   My daily driver is a diesel p/u I run BIO every ...   Mar 8 2006, 06:02 PM
rick 918-S   We tried the ethenol in the Titan when the gas wen...   Mar 8 2006, 06:42 PM
bd1308   well look at it this way.... we're taking mon...   Mar 8 2006, 06:54 PM
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