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> A-arm bushings, Pros - cons??
East coaster
post Mar 19 2006, 09:48 PM
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What's the best setup for a street car?

Tarret bronze/urethane? (Sounds like a good idea, but never heard from anyone running them)

Needle Bearings? ( I worry about rust and maintenance issues)

Stock with 40K on them? (Has a low "trick" factor, but probably works good)

Delrin/urethane (squeeky........don't want them)

Ditto for rear trailing arm bushings????
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post Mar 20 2006, 12:52 PM
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QUOTE (alpha434 @ Mar 19 2006, 11:58 PM)
Your 996s have wishbone suspension. And 5 link. We don't have that kind of control over all three axis. All we can do is get two as good as we can.

Every component in the physical world is subject to the same 6 forces - translation in x, y, and z, and rotation in x, y, z. 996s use spherical bearings that allow for free rotation in x, y, and z. What I'm feeling when we hit a bump is the solid connection between translation in x, y, and z (which is lessened because its free to rotate). The 914 still rotates in x, but we feel the rotation in y and z and translation in x, y, and z. We have much more force being absorbed by the chassis if its a solid mount... which doesnt feel good. Theoretically we need a really stiff chassis that lets the suspension do the work, but we all know that aint true in a typical 914. So either we stiffen the car considerably, replace the joints with spherical bearings, and install high quality dampers OR we enjoy what we have and drive the piss out of it and try not to fine tune the "suspension."

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And the rubber bushing shouldn't be acting as a chassis damper, even if it does. Are you sure that the difference your feeling between Cup cars and stock isn't the huge difference in springrate and shocks. The tighter bushings are more of a "handling" upgrade, since it doesn't "float" around with solid mounting, causing minute changes in toe and camber.


I dont know who told you rubber bushings shouldnt be acting as a chassis damper on a street car, and PLEASE dont say Al... I'm pretty tired of you being his puppet...

And yes, I know what overdamped and oversprung cars feel like.

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East coaster   A-arm bushings   Mar 19 2006, 09:48 PM
anthony   I think the Elephant poly bronze is a good solutio...   Mar 19 2006, 10:09 PM
914-8   I think most people with street drivers would love...   Mar 19 2006, 10:29 PM
brant   if you have good stock bushings... then I'd ag...   Mar 19 2006, 10:36 PM
srb7f   What's wrong with keeping the stockers? Doubl...   Mar 19 2006, 10:37 PM
Racer Chris   ...   Mar 19 2006, 11:19 PM
Mueller   ...   Mar 19 2006, 11:33 PM
Racer Chris   ...   Mar 19 2006, 11:34 PM
alpha434   That idea only applies to load during rotation. W...   Mar 19 2006, 11:37 PM
914-8   Chris, can you give some info on your delrin bushi...   Mar 19 2006, 11:38 PM
alpha434   <...   Mar 19 2006, 11:42 PM
Racer Chris     Mar 19 2006, 11:42 PM
Mueller   the bearing races are hardened to 60R, "if" and wh...   Mar 19 2006, 11:42 PM
alpha434   <...   Mar 19 2006, 11:46 PM
Racer Chris   <...   Mar 19 2006, 11:50 PM
914-8     Mar 20 2006, 12:48 AM
Twystd1   Good question Alpha, I wanted to run a set of Mue...   Mar 20 2006, 01:03 AM
alpha434   I don't think that the "bound" pivot will act ...   Mar 20 2006, 01:15 AM
MattR   Yep, you said it. Real cars have heim joints and ...   Mar 20 2006, 01:38 AM
alpha434   Your 996s have wishbone suspension. And 5 link. We...   Mar 20 2006, 01:58 AM
Twystd1   This kinda takes me back to the big bar/soft sprin...   Mar 20 2006, 02:14 AM
Jeroen     Mar 20 2006, 06:45 AM
Racer Chris     Mar 20 2006, 06:46 AM
Mueller   Not one single person has complained about a rough...   Mar 20 2006, 09:30 AM
brant   <...   Mar 20 2006, 09:39 AM
MattR   ...   Mar 20 2006, 12:52 PM
MattR     Mar 20 2006, 12:54 PM
MattR   <...   Mar 20 2006, 12:55 PM
Aaron Cox   the plot thickens.... and then congeals.....   Mar 20 2006, 01:25 PM
Aaron Cox   <...   Mar 20 2006, 01:27 PM
MattR   ...   Mar 20 2006, 01:28 PM
Mueller   ...   Mar 20 2006, 01:55 PM
Jeroen     Mar 20 2006, 05:53 PM
J P Stein   Should you ever take out your T-bars, look for rad...   Mar 20 2006, 06:35 PM
914-8     Mar 20 2006, 09:25 PM
lagunero     Mar 21 2006, 01:13 AM
Twystd1   Albert, You just MattRd yourself...... Twystd1   Mar 21 2006, 04:35 AM
Jeroen     Mar 21 2006, 05:42 AM
Mueller   for those that 'diss the notion of needle bear...   Mar 23 2006, 10:13 AM


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