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> Making the a-arms "wider"...besides camber issues,, what other "gotchas" will I hit??
Mueller
post Jul 13 2005, 08:24 PM
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Trying to figure out if I can safely go 1" per side to make the front track the same as the rear....I currently have 1.25" thick spacers, so I could eliminate those which would be nice.

I figure not that big of a deal on the camber since that is easily fixed by opening up the top of the shock tower
(salvage title car, so no worries about "ruining it" (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) )

For those that have installed turbo-tie rods, do you think there is enough adjustment to move the ends out an inch per side???



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post Mar 29 2006, 07:33 PM
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OK, here's the way I see the problem...no pics (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
"Normal" positive scrub radius adds steering feed back to the steering wheel. Let's figure (WAG) .50 inches with a 5.5 inch wide 914 wheel. As the tire turns from straight ahead, it describes an arc of .5 radius. The center of forward motion comes from the rear wheels to the center of the ball joint......pushng the front wheels foreward. If the tire is turned
45 deg, the center of the tire is leading the ball joint by about .25 in.....easily overcome as there is little mechanical advantage.

My 10 inch wide tire/wheel sets the scrub radius to around 2.25 inches futher out ....all the offset is outboard..for a total
scrub radius of positive 2.75 inches. At 45 deg, that would mean the center of the tire is 1.37 inches foreward & an equal amount outboard of the balljoint.....the force is pushing into that causing the tire to skip sideways.
Granted, max lock is maybe 20 deg deflection. I used 45 to simplify the calcs and the actuals would be half that.
Then again, I could well be fulla shit (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif)
Either way, I'm getting that radius down to about 1.25 with my "new improved" set-up.....we'll see.
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Mueller   Making the a-arms "wider"...besides camber issues,   Jul 13 2005, 08:24 PM
TimT   hehehe, some of "F troop" try and make the A-arm ...   Jul 13 2005, 08:37 PM
bondo   Here's a gotcha.. different (lower) effective ...   Jul 13 2005, 08:39 PM
Mueller     Jul 13 2005, 08:39 PM
Mueller     Jul 13 2005, 08:40 PM
bondo   What if you widened the crossmember and moved the ...   Jul 13 2005, 08:44 PM
MattR   wider is better http://www.914world...   Jul 13 2005, 08:47 PM
Mueller     Jul 13 2005, 08:48 PM
Howard R   Mike, You can certainly 19mm without any problems...   Jul 13 2005, 09:42 PM
Brett W   When you lengthen the arms you need to make sure t...   Jul 13 2005, 09:48 PM
john rogers   I use 1 inch spacers in the front and 1 1/4 spacer...   Jul 13 2005, 10:32 PM
Britain Smith   There is a guy on the Pelican board that had this ...   Jul 13 2005, 10:44 PM
McMark   <...   Jul 14 2005, 01:08 AM
ArtechnikA     Jul 14 2005, 06:21 AM
redshift   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/ht...   Mar 28 2006, 12:32 PM
Mueller   the second modification to the steering rack will ...   Mar 28 2006, 12:35 PM
turbo914v8   How wide do you want to go? = How deep is your poc...   Mar 28 2006, 12:39 PM
groot   Wider is better, as you know. I've done it (by...   Mar 28 2006, 12:43 PM
groot   And... when I made my camber plates I actually had...   Mar 28 2006, 12:45 PM
Mueller     Mar 28 2006, 12:49 PM
groot   You have a welder, right? They can be lengthened ...   Mar 28 2006, 12:49 PM
Mueller     Mar 28 2006, 01:08 PM
groot   Do it!!!! It'll make you feel ...   Mar 28 2006, 01:55 PM
Mueller     Mar 28 2006, 03:25 PM
Mueller   <...   Mar 28 2006, 04:52 PM
J P Stein   I've stared at this till I'm blue in the f...   Mar 28 2006, 06:56 PM
Mueller   <...   Mar 28 2006, 09:01 PM
Mueller     Mar 28 2006, 09:03 PM
Porcharu     Mar 29 2006, 01:50 AM
groot   As I understand scrub radius, it increases the mom...   Mar 29 2006, 06:30 AM
Brett W   Scrub radius is bad. This is one of the major pro...   Mar 29 2006, 07:50 AM
Bigbohr   This is what a 964/993 front looks like: the strut...   Mar 29 2006, 08:08 AM
J P Stein   Positive scrub radius doesn't seem to be a hug...   Mar 29 2006, 08:19 AM
J P Stein   <...   Mar 29 2006, 08:20 AM
groot   Ummmm, drugs are bad, umkay. http...   Mar 29 2006, 12:00 PM
J P Stein   OK, here's the way I see the problem...no pics...   Mar 29 2006, 07:33 PM
groot   JP, good illustration (figuratively). I agree with...   Mar 30 2006, 07:00 AM
J P Stein     Mar 30 2006, 08:56 AM
andys   Your increased scrub radius accentuates the change...   Mar 30 2006, 11:12 AM
Cloudbuster     Mar 30 2006, 12:01 PM
Mueller   pics for JP.....'91 C2 (sorry for being so dir...   Apr 3 2006, 12:08 PM
Mueller   red arrows show pivot points....mono-ball replacem...   Apr 3 2006, 12:09 PM
J P Stein   need a pic looking fwd or aft.....like Groot's...   Apr 3 2006, 12:57 PM


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