Excellence Magazine 914 Valuations ..., prices are rising!! Options

[vesnyder]

Just got my Excellence magazine this month and they report on the values of 914's and the news is good - especially if you are an owner! I was surprised to see the values he puts on some of the cars - even the so-so ones (as he puts it). I know both the condition and location determine the ultimate value of the car, but thanks to boards like this the interest remains high, and the values even higher!

[anthony]

Thanks for the R&D you do on the type 4 maybe if a 2270 turn key motor was possible for say $5k for 165hp I'd consider it, the numbers just don't exite me.To spend $10k for a type 4 and another $1k for tangerine headers and still be behind a 3.0 six on the interstate would piss me off.

I don't know who 914rat is or what axe he has to grind with Jake but I fail to understand why the 4 versus 6 bench racing discussion can't be done without personal put downs. After all we are only talking about engines here.

To each his own, pay your money and buy what you want. Feel free to intelligently debate the merits of each motor.

To put some stuff in perspective, call up your mechanic and get a quote for a full rebuild on a stock 90hp type IV. Also get a quote on rebuilding your 3L six at the same time.

Jake's business caters to the high end. It's a unique product and most of us can't afford it. If you want a price comparison, call up Jerry Woods and ask about a high performance build on a 911 engine. I bet his prices make Jake's look inexpensive.

McMark is doing turnkey 2056es with RAT parts for those that want a turn-key solution for around $5K. Jake also sells kits at various price points if you want to do it by yourself cheaper or if you want more power than a 2056.

I've wanted more power for a long time. I've done the math many times. A medium mileage 3L goes for around $4-5K and are hard to find in excellent running condition with no broken head studs. 3.2 have shot up in price. Try and find a nice one for less than $6K. On top of that add $4K for 4 to 6 conversion parts and maybe a hundred hours of conversion time for a first timer. Call a 914 guru and ask how much a turn-key big six conversion will cost. I was quoted $12K for a 3.2 conversion 2 years ago.

When I look at it, sometimes a six makes the most sense and then sometimes a hot type IV makes the most sense. It depends on your price point, how much work and fabrication you are willing to do, how much risk you are willing to take, and what your end goal is.

[914rat]

Thanks for the R&D you do on the type 4 maybe if a 2270 turn key motor was possible for say $5k for 165hp I'd consider it, the numbers just don't exite me.To spend $10k for a type 4 and another $1k for tangerine headers and still be behind a 3.0 six on the interstate would piss me off.

I don't know who 914rat is or what axe he has to grind with Jake but I fail to understand why the 4 versus 6 bench racing discussion can't be done without personal put downs. After all we are only talking about engines here.

To each his own, pay your money and buy what you want. Feel free to intelligently debate the merits of each motor.

To put some stuff in perspective, call up your mechanic and get a quote for a full rebuild on a stock 90hp type IV. Also get a quote on rebuilding your 3L six at the same time.

Jake's business caters to the high end. It's a unique product and most of us can't afford it. If you want a price comparison, call up Jerry Woods and ask about a high performance build on a 911 engine. I bet his prices make Jake's look inexpensive.

McMark is doing turnkey 2056es with RAT parts for those that want a turn-key solution for around $5K. Jake also sells kits at various price points if you want to do it by yourself cheaper or if you want more power than a 2056.

I've wanted more power for a long time. I've done the math many times. A medium mileage 3L goes for around $4-5K and are hard to find in excellent running condition with no broken head studs. 3.2 have shot up in price. Try and find a nice one for less than $6K. On top of that add $4K for 4 to 6 conversion parts and maybe a hundred hours of conversion time for a first timer. Call a 914 guru and ask how much a turn-key big six conversion will cost. I was quoted $12K for a 3.2 conversion 2 years ago.

When I look at it, sometimes a six makes the most sense and then sometimes a hot type IV makes the most sense. It depends on your price point, how much work and fabrication you are willing to do, how much risk you are willing to take, and what your end goal is.

I personally don't have an ax to grind with Jake anymore than he has an ax to grind with 6 or 8 conversions.He has done a remarkable job with his R&D on type 4 engines .I have owned air cooled cars since the early 70's and 914's since early 90's,I love these cars,I love working on them,polishing them,vacuuming them,cleaning the windows and finally (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) them.In a world where you can buy a HiPo Chevy or Ford crate engine from a quality rebuilder for $4000 turn key with 300-400hp I just couldn't pull the trigger on a Type 4 for $10k plus.Thats not an attack on Jake just my take on why most of us choose other options.I own 6 914's ,a restored 74 2.0 (2056) Low rust Calif. car that is my driver.A 71 that has been cosmetically restored and has 911 5lug conversion waiting for a drivetrain.A running 73 2.0 rusty in need of restoration,a 74 2.0 project with steel gt fenders,a running 73 1.7 project,and a 74 parts car that is just a shell.In my humble opinion the 914 deserves more than a type 4 can give for the $ spent at this time.Nothing personal. As far as I'm concerned there are no bad options, if Jake only wants to build 10 motors a year most of us would have to stand in line to plunk down the $10 k anyway.I'm leaning towards a V8 in my 71 not necessarily because it's cheaper ,but because it's twice the power for half the money.As far as resale who cares I'm building it to (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) .When its done I have 3 more to tinker with.As for the the put downs read Jakes first post on this thread,he asked for it and I think he revels in it,I also think he has the balls to back it up,and the shoulders to carry it.See ya in the rearview.LaDon.