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> 930 motor into 914, How to?
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post Nov 3 2003, 05:58 PM
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Here's the question. Has anybody done this and what does it involve? A buddy owes me huge and he has a complete turnkey 930 motor to settle the debt. I have a 914 complete w/flares, suspension and brakes to handle this beast. I just know it will be a pain and would like some input and guidance.

The car will not be a daily driver. Sunday fun and track duty only. So I can cut the trunk and lid anyway needed for access, headers, exhaust, etc.

Issues I'm thinking about:

Exhaust (probably cut off at headers and mounted backwards to its current configuration. The rest custom made.

Tranny: It should be able to be rebuilt (ottos) it to take the heat as long as I warm it up, do not abuse it, install pump and coolers etc.

Intercooler mount: How about proper airflow to it?

CV's and Axles: How much can they take?


Any insights, advice, wisdom, cajoling etc. is appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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What specifically is the "weak link" on the 901 that is different on the 915, and likewise between the 915 and 930? Is it the R&P? The rigidity of the case itself?

It seems like if somebody like Paul Guard or the Wevo folks applied modern engineering and metallurgy to the problem, they could increase the reliability margin by quite a bit.

FTB -- one BIG difference between your proposed car and the race cars with 901's is that they are not usually subjected to brutal standing starts, or even nearly as many "gentle" starts compared to a car that is street driven. These cars that are pushing 200-400HP thru 901 boxes only roll off from a standing start a handful of times a month and spend most of their life in 3rd thru 5th gear...and are sometimes running trans coolers as well. And the the more extreme cars are regularly "freshened" too, they are not trying to go for a decade between teardowns.

The torque curve is the other huge difference. A turbo car might make monster torque from 2K rpm's (my chipped S4 makes probably 300ft-lbs from 1800 rpm's on up) while a high strung NA car might not come on hard until 5K rpms or higher. In that respect the advice to check with Renegade is probably a great idea, since a big turbo motor has more in common with a V8 in terms of the torque curve and overall output.
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team ftb   930 motor into 914   Nov 3 2003, 05:58 PM
krk   Sounds like a fun project! I recall seeing (p...   Nov 3 2003, 06:38 PM
team ftb   The exhaust is actually one of the most difficult ...   Nov 3 2003, 06:55 PM
krk   I shall fire it up this evening. kim.   Nov 3 2003, 06:57 PM
!   Try keeping a trans in it.....   Nov 3 2003, 08:37 PM
Aaron Cox   run a 915 or beefier trans :o   Nov 3 2003, 09:06 PM
Hawktel   Does he owe you a 930 tranny also? If so, your in ...   Nov 3 2003, 09:19 PM
team ftb   Question regarding a trans if I may...POC club rac...   Nov 3 2003, 09:39 PM
Hawktel   You'd want to check with Renegade I think. The...   Nov 3 2003, 09:55 PM
Aaron Cox   wow...only a 3 speed ;)   Nov 3 2003, 10:22 PM
krk   <...   Nov 3 2003, 10:35 PM
team ftb   Thanks for the efforts Kim on the scanning. Feel ...   Nov 3 2003, 10:48 PM
Brad Roberts   A 901 wont handle it. Your Turbo engine will put o...   Nov 3 2003, 10:53 PM
campbellcj   What specifically is the "weak link" on the 901 th...   Nov 3 2003, 11:21 PM
Brad Roberts   Renegade doesnt build tranny's. I feel the R+...   Nov 3 2003, 11:30 PM
team ftb   Gentlemen, Thank you for the responses. I luckil...   Nov 4 2003, 12:05 AM
campbellcj   I posted one photo of Richard's car on the Pel...   Nov 4 2003, 12:15 AM
Brad Roberts   Somewhere on the BBS (again) we have pics of the t...   Nov 4 2003, 12:23 AM
krk   These articles are at least entertaining. The fir...   Nov 4 2003, 12:38 AM
krk   page 2.   Nov 4 2003, 12:39 AM
krk   The second article is the same car, with a twin tu...   Nov 4 2003, 12:42 AM
krk   page 2   Nov 4 2003, 12:42 AM
krk   Oh, I can send you high res scans if these are not...   Nov 4 2003, 12:43 AM
Brad Roberts   The MSDS car was sitting next to Richard Clewitts ...   Nov 4 2003, 01:03 AM
campbellcj   LOL, the flat fan setup alone cost more than a lot...   Nov 4 2003, 01:10 AM
krk   Cool pics. On the msds car, what is the path of t...   Nov 4 2003, 03:11 PM
team ftb   Kim, Thank you for the articles. Nice to see I...   Nov 4 2003, 06:33 PM
campbellcj   The PO of my car also had a V8 (Chevy 350) 914 -- ...   Nov 4 2003, 06:58 PM
krk   Man, it's funny. I'm sure Brad started a...   Nov 4 2003, 07:03 PM
TimT   extreme 914 956 engine, 930 tranny   Nov 4 2003, 07:17 PM
TimT   LOL oops forgot the pics :headbang: :smash: :h...   Nov 4 2003, 07:18 PM
TimT   more   Nov 4 2003, 07:19 PM
team ftb   How's about another tranny inquiry....Will a 9...   Nov 5 2003, 09:09 AM
James Adams   <...   Nov 5 2003, 09:18 AM
LS6/914   I was under the impression that Renegade does do a...   Nov 5 2003, 09:32 AM
team ftb   Renegade outsources its gearbox work. A call to W...   Nov 5 2003, 10:28 AM
James Adams   <...   Nov 5 2003, 10:47 AM
Brad Roberts   I love it when its NOT ME answering Renegade quest...   Nov 5 2003, 03:36 PM


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