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| groot |
Nov 21 2006, 11:17 AM
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Finally, I'm actually constructing my rear suspension. This one's been in the works for a long time. I've had the parts, but lacked the mill/TIG time to make it happen. So, I'm starting with the 914 trailing arm instead of the 944 trailing arm (need the TIG for that one since it's alum).
Some background, the SCCA production rules state this under "Unrestricted Suspensions: Suspension Control": QUOTE 2. Suspension pickup points on the chassis or structure may be relocated and/or reinforced. If such points are relocated to the driver/passenger/trunk compartments, such points and attendant suspension components shall be covered with metal panels. 3. The manufacturer’s original system of suspension, e.g., live axle, swing axle, MacPherson strut, A-arm, etc., shall be retained. The wheelbase of the vehicle shall not be changed or relocated in a fore/aft direction. 4. Suspension bushings are unrestricted. Adjustable spherical bearings or rod ends are permitted on all suspension components. 5. Any anti-roll bar, camber compensating device, panhard rod, watts linkage, and/or other suspension stabilizer is permitted. Attachment points of such components are unrestricted. So, I can move pickup points, I have to run a semi-trailing arm suspension, but I can add a toe link. The basic idea is that I can get the camber gain I want by playing with the location of the pickup points of the trailing arm to the chassis, but replacing the bulky semi-trailing arm with rod ends on tubes allowing easy control of static alignment settings. Simple geometry.... But, you're stuck with a crappy toe curve. What suspension gives an excellent toe curve???? A real trailing arm (no toe change). So, allow the rear suspension knuckle to pivot in toe, but control that toe with an additional link (attached to the chassis in such a way that it mimics a trailing arm). This was the brainstorm that hit me one day. I gathered all the parts last winter, but spent so much time in AZ for work I didn't get to do the work before the racing season crept up on me. Here's the work I did this morning. That rectangle stock sticking out will be where I attach my toe link. The semi-trailing arm links will mount on the top and bottom of the knuckle (bearing carrier). Attached image(s)
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| Brett W |
Nov 22 2006, 01:54 AM
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Something else of note: learn to drive. I disagree about the "compliant" rear suspension stuff on kinematic toe. I havent ran a GT3Cup car or GT3RSR with "rubber" in the suspenion (ever) Pretty easy to see what the suspension does on the alignment rack by loading and unloading the chassis. Physically watching it, the toe doesnt change front or rear. I *beleive* the toe does change in the rubber cars, but no where near that of the semi rear control arm of the 914. B I have to agree, seat time is the most important thing to a successful driver. The GT3 uses a completely different suspension than the boxsters and Cayman. You should not see this compliance. It is not necessary. The GT3 is designed as a race car from the beginning. Hans didn't have to worry about grandma trail braking her GT3 Cup car turning into the church parking lot. But when she lift throttles mid corner he can't have the tail of her shiney Boxster convertible cruising around on her when she is headed to the grocery store. All production cars are designed with toe in under braking for stability. The 928 relied on elastokinematic deflection to create its toe in under braking. The front dog leg moved back and the rear dog bone actually bent under braking. Race cars do not typically have compliance designed in. It makes the cars harder to drive. Kevin, I agree Sheridan's setup is for static settings only. Why he didn't design in a toe link, I don't know. Maybe Bertold could tell us if we knew where to find him. Production is more for drivers where GT is more for builders. Kinda like the Mod class in autocross. |
groot Rear suspension redesign Nov 21 2006, 11:17 AM
brant this is going to be a great thread! Nov 21 2006, 11:30 AM
URY914 :popcorn: :D Nov 21 2006, 12:55 PM
Brad Roberts We need to go over and figure out exactly how Kine... Nov 21 2006, 01:00 PM
Brett W Guys, Kevin and I have beat this one to death. On... Nov 21 2006, 01:03 PM
Brad Roberts I have been of the belief that you could "fak... Nov 21 2006, 01:05 PM
Brad Roberts Not sure what your bottom arrow is pointing too, b... Nov 21 2006, 01:09 PM
Brett W As far as the Boxster stuff goes, it uses a rear s... Nov 21 2006, 01:50 PM
maf914 What is he doing with the shift rod where it enter... Nov 21 2006, 02:58 PM
Brad Roberts He is running a seriously modified Vellios shift k... Nov 21 2006, 03:26 PM
groot Ok, just got back from the dentist (root canal), s... Nov 21 2006, 03:50 PM
Brad Roberts Roger gave up on SCCA GT2 ages ago. I dont think h... Nov 21 2006, 05:55 PM
groot A little progress.....
Maybe this will help some ... Nov 21 2006, 07:25 PM
bam914 Kevin, How fast are you going through rear tires?... Nov 21 2006, 07:51 PM
groot Hey, Blake,
I'm not really wearing through th... Nov 21 2006, 08:02 PM
Brad Roberts What tire pressures Kevin? and who's tires?
I... Nov 22 2006, 12:58 AM
Brett W
groot Maybe not "burning" the rears, but defin... Nov 22 2006, 01:02 PM
Brett W My bad I was under the impression the GT3 used a w... Nov 22 2006, 01:18 PM
Brad Roberts Kevin,
we used 250's for qualifying if we had... Nov 22 2006, 03:32 PM
Thorshammer Okay boys!
I have heard some of the limited p... Nov 23 2006, 02:18 PM
Eric_Shea Great thread Kevin. This will be great to watch.
... Nov 24 2006, 03:39 PM
groot Erik, thanks, but I didn't get into the 1:39s,... Nov 24 2006, 03:55 PM
Brett W Have you run an FEA on this setup? Nov 24 2006, 04:50 PM
groot Nope... if I had, it surely would have been much l... Nov 24 2006, 07:06 PM
GTPatrick Food for thought on this subject folks. Don't... Nov 24 2006, 07:21 PM
Thorshammer GTP,
The SCCA Rules have some very strong limitat... Nov 24 2006, 11:40 PM
GTPatrick Erik, . . . .
I thought that it would be a ra... Nov 25 2006, 07:13 PM
Brad Roberts Ha ha.. I have a friend who thinkgs along the same... Nov 26 2006, 01:21 AM
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