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VaccaRabite
post Dec 26 2006, 06:51 PM
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So I went to Home Depot today, armed with some scratch and the will to buy an air compressor and a DA air sander.

HD sells the husky line. So, I went to the tools, found a DA sander (Husky, needed 4cfm @ 90psi, and the box said it would work continously with 20+ gallon compressors).

Then I walked over to look at compressors. They had a Husky 24 gallon compressor that flowed 5.1 cfm @ 90 pis on sale ($225). Score! but then, on top of the motor, was a little chart with reccomended tools and non-reccomneded tools. All sanders and DA sanders were non-reccomneded.

I called over a HD floor guy, who called over another 2 guys, and we could not see a good reason for the prohibition. But, we decided that if the factory did not reccomend it, then it should not be used as such, and I walked over to the electric tool section and bought an electric DA sander. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

I am going to need to buy a compressor by the spring. I'm clearly in the "hobbiest" catagory, and may not use the tool again for a long time aftyer I am done with my 914, but when it comes time to paint, it will probably be cheaper for me to buy one then rent one - given the slow nature that I work. I want to know why the sander was not reccomended, when the compressor could flow the air and had a big enough tank according to the tool. I have theories, but I thought somone here might be able to give better advice.

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Zach
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post Dec 26 2006, 10:51 PM
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I've had a Husky 220 7hp 60 gal in my garage for 5 years, I've used it for 4 complete paint jobs minus the painting (I rent a booth), countless fabrication projects, a bunch of small autobody & paint jobs, etc., etc., etc., and I've had no problems. It will just keep up with an HVLP gun, it will almost keep up with a big die grinder, a DA will work, but I need to stop and let it catch up every 5 minutes or so. It was $389.00 when I bought it. I couldn't live with anything less, but I don't really need much more. I used to have it plugged in to a dryer outlet with a 40' cord, but when I bought a house it had 220 in the garage, so all is well.
I've painted probably 50 panels here and I've never installed a water/oil trap. I keep meaning to, but it's working well so far, so why bother?
I do, however have a 30' run of pvc before the hose, angled so the water will run back into the compressor after the air cools, and that's what has prevented any water problems.
I'd do the same thing all over again.
Whatever you do, don't but an oil free compressor. Buy one with a seperate pump and motor, with a belt in between. I toasted 2 Sears oil free 6 hp 220 compressors, the ones with an integral motor and pump, while it was still under warranty. The rod went right through the piston both times, the cylinder was oval, and the plastic rings melted.
I sold the 3rd one as soon as I got it, and bought this.
Also, I run Mobil1 after about 20 hours, it doesn't coke up.
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post Dec 27 2006, 01:40 AM
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SWW914.

I live in a mecca of chemicals. There is enough silicone in the air in the commercial area of Costa Mesa to make a painter just cry from fish eye.

The ONLY way we have been able to lower the propensity for fish eye was to either add smoothy to our paint (I hate that but it makes the paint silicone compatible)

OR: clean any oil and water out of the air system before painting anything. That made a huge differance for our final coats. less blocking... less color sanding.

I live next to the beach. Humidity changes by the hour here. salt is in the air, silicone and all kinds of crazy stuff from chemical company's and from Porterfield racing brakes corp around the corner. Makes it difficult to get a really bitchin CONSISTENT final coat.

Thats is just how it works for me....... Like you.... i am just coming from my experience...

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Vacca Rabite   Air compressors - help?   Dec 26 2006, 06:51 PM
mikez   DAs take a LOT of air....I have the big MOFO.........   Dec 26 2006, 07:07 PM
computers4kids   DAs take a LOT of air....I have the big MOFO........   Dec 26 2006, 10:23 PM
Twystd1   Good DAs use a bunch of air.. Kinda like cutting ...   Dec 26 2006, 07:14 PM
PRS914-6   The problem with a $225.00 compressor is you ...   Dec 26 2006, 07:15 PM
Dr Evil   Dude, just get one for less $$$ at ...   Dec 26 2006, 07:37 PM
Vacca Rabite   I am limited power wise. I only have 110 going to...   Dec 26 2006, 08:14 PM
mikez   I am limited power wise. I only have 110 going t...   Dec 26 2006, 08:15 PM
Dr Evil   I am limited power wise. I only have 110 going t...   Dec 26 2006, 10:33 PM
Twystd1   Check to see what gauge wire you have coming into ...   Dec 26 2006, 08:53 PM
mikez   You can also she if you can fish bigger gauge thru...   Dec 26 2006, 09:03 PM
Brew   I smoked my Sears 5hp 22gal 6cfm @90 compressor DA...   Dec 26 2006, 09:47 PM
Twystd1   In the last month... I have aquired 2 commercial ...   Dec 26 2006, 10:13 PM
mikez   BTW....it IS good to have a dryer and a knockout p...   Dec 26 2006, 10:30 PM
Twystd1   And note the filters in the pic coming off the com...   Dec 26 2006, 10:34 PM
bernbomb914   most important is how loud are they. there is a bi...   Dec 26 2006, 10:48 PM
sww914   I've had a Husky 220 7hp 60 gal in my garage f...   Dec 26 2006, 10:51 PM
Twystd1   SWW914. I live in a mecca of chemicals. There is ...   Dec 27 2006, 01:40 AM
rick 918-S   The electric DA's work good also. Then you may...   Dec 26 2006, 10:56 PM
gfulcher   My compressor was built in 1946... not sure what ...   Dec 26 2006, 11:17 PM
PRS914-6   Another tid-bit to consider. If you can afford a ...   Dec 26 2006, 11:32 PM
Borderline   sww914: everything I've read says not to us...   Dec 27 2006, 12:02 AM
sww914   sww914: everything I've read says not to u...   Dec 27 2006, 12:57 AM
Twystd1   As a option for PVC. I just got done doing a who...   Dec 27 2006, 01:19 AM
morph   i use pvc to run all my air lines.(1/2 pvc is rate...   Dec 27 2006, 02:22 AM
Paul Illick   The reason that little compressor said it wasn...   Dec 27 2006, 04:34 AM
bmcwilli   What about PEX? Don't shoot me...I just have ...   Dec 27 2006, 08:56 AM
736conver   Another option for air compressors is a gasoline p...   Dec 27 2006, 09:17 AM
PRS914-6   Regarding the PVC.....First let me say, I would us...   Dec 27 2006, 09:35 AM
Borderline   :hijacked: Vacca: Sorry, I hijacked your thread...   Dec 27 2006, 10:09 AM
Vacca Rabite   No problem. I am reading and learning. Zach   Dec 27 2006, 10:35 AM
1bad914   Go here and ask questions about any garage subject...   Dec 27 2006, 10:51 AM
Vacca Rabite   Okay, so I am changing my focus here. I would lik...   Dec 27 2006, 11:44 AM
736conver   Okay, so I am changing my focus here. I would li...   Dec 27 2006, 04:56 PM
Vacca Rabite   words words words..... Zach Whats you budget? ...   Dec 27 2006, 09:16 PM
morph   not to be off subject. i stand corrected,i did a s...   Dec 27 2006, 01:20 PM
Matt Romanowski   For the most bang for the buck, look for something...   Dec 27 2006, 03:34 PM
jsteele22   Wow, a really great thread. I wish I had gotten t...   Dec 27 2006, 03:34 PM
orange914   1 get stand up not space consuming laydown style 2...   Dec 27 2006, 03:44 PM


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