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> Do you cheat?
Do you cheat on AX classifications?
Do you cheat on AX classifications?
Hell yes! I run higher compression and more displacement than I report [ 12 ] ** [15.19%]
Never! I'd only be cheating myself. [ 47 ] ** [59.49%]
I don't report things like lightened flywheel or slight compression improvements. Everyone cheats just a little. [ 5 ] ** [6.33%]
Sometimes I forget to report all modifications on my car [ 15 ] ** [18.99%]
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post Feb 6 2007, 07:35 PM
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post Feb 15 2007, 10:31 PM
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Anyone know what kind of additive they used?

http://www.showbuzz.cbsnews.com/stories/20...in2480661.shtml
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post Feb 19 2007, 06:54 PM
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QUOTE(grantsfo @ Feb 15 2007, 09:31 PM) *

Anyone know what kind of additive they used?

http://www.showbuzz.cbsnews.com/stories/20...in2480661.shtml

weird - I don't think it was directly in the fuel. They said a tech found it reaching in the manifold to check for loose parts (which btw, what does that mean? There are no parts inside of an intake manifold) so I guess that maybe meant they pulled the carb/spacer/plate or whatever and he was reaching in to make sure he didn't drop a nut down there or something???

Anyway, he found it in the intake, which implies to me maybe it is some sort of "putty" with octane boosters in it that when the fuel/air mixture passes thru the intake runner it blends a little bit in at a time... and wasn't directly in the fuel or injected into the manifold. I mean, you really wouldn't be able to inject into the manifold as that would be almost impossible to visually hide anything on those "spider" intakes they have now unless they machined something into the bottom plate and had lines running on the underside of the manifold/internal to the valley area.

He seems like a pretty standup guy so I really can't imagine he had anything to do with that. Toyota crews just knew they were gonna suck and somewhere some guys got a dumb idea. You can bet Toyota is TICKED over that and the other teams that got caught.

edit - oh yeah, and on the point of cheating, IMHO I don't care about rules as much as what is basic to all on a human level = respect for others - if you are knowingly cheating you are an asshole and scum of the earth. Period. And you know who you are. You have no respect for your fellow racer and I have no respect for you. May the gods of kharma put you into the wall and leave you with a C2 fracture. I understand if someone makes a mistake in classifying their car and fixes it and moves on, but if you knowingly do that, you are shit.

On that note, I race to have fun and enjoy company of others with that same passion, so win or lose, I just want to have a good time and maybe that is why cheating is just so far out of my realm of reality.
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grantsfo   Do you cheat?   Feb 6 2007, 07:35 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   I couldn't resist creating this anonymous pol...   Feb 6 2007, 07:40 PM
grantsfo   I couldn't resist creating this anonymous po...   Feb 6 2007, 09:47 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   [quote name='Dan (Almaden Valley)' post='...   Feb 6 2007, 09:54 PM
Crazyhippy   nope, class me w/ the regular 2liters... :D   Feb 6 2007, 07:42 PM
drew365   I think you would get a lot of votes for: I use c...   Feb 6 2007, 08:30 PM
grantsfo   I think you would get a lot of votes for: I use ...   Feb 6 2007, 09:51 PM
nine14cats   Nope...no need to cheat for me...no amount of chea...   Feb 6 2007, 08:31 PM
SirAndy   Do you cheat? not intentionally. takes the fun o...   Feb 6 2007, 09:57 PM
Andyrew   naw.. just build a bad ass car, label it as ...   Feb 6 2007, 10:12 PM
nebreitling   cheating at the club-level (especially AX/TT) seem...   Feb 6 2007, 10:28 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   cheating at the club-level (especially AX/TT) see...   Feb 6 2007, 10:32 PM
drew365   cheating at the club-level (especially AX/TT) see...   Feb 7 2007, 07:20 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   cheating at the club-level (especially AX/TT) se...   Feb 7 2007, 07:38 PM
nebreitling   really? wow, that surprises and disappoints me. -...   Feb 6 2007, 10:47 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   amazing what some folks will do and spend for a ...   Feb 6 2007, 10:50 PM
Chris Hamilton   We don't cheat, we just might have a few thing...   Feb 6 2007, 11:36 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   We don't cheat, we just might have a few thin...   Feb 6 2007, 11:40 PM
Chris Hamilton   We don't cheat, we just might have a few thi...   Feb 6 2007, 11:47 PM
grantsfo   That would be breaking the NDA. :idea: ...ND...   Feb 7 2007, 01:06 AM
Randal   [quote name='Dan (Almaden Valley)' post='...   Feb 7 2007, 11:53 AM
nebreitling   that makes sense to me. there are a lot of suspen...   Feb 6 2007, 11:47 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   and that is exactly what is wrong with our current...   Feb 7 2007, 12:05 AM
grantsfo   too many loop holes when it comes to lightening. ...   Feb 7 2007, 01:18 AM
914forme   too many loop holes when it comes to lightening. ...   Feb 7 2007, 07:12 AM
Matt Romanowski   really? wow, that surprises and disappoints me. ...   Feb 7 2007, 10:27 AM
nebreitling   so true :D -- but that's not flat-out lying...   Feb 7 2007, 01:05 PM
grantsfo   back to blyholder/hamilton, the little blue car ...   Feb 7 2007, 03:05 PM
Joe Ricard   Do you think I run X prepared because I am dishone...   Feb 7 2007, 10:53 AM
alpha434   Guys. Get some old pictures from famous race car...   Feb 7 2007, 09:16 PM
nebreitling   at the end of the day, the fact remains that very ...   Feb 7 2007, 09:50 PM
914forme   at the end of the day, the fact remains that very...   Feb 20 2007, 12:30 PM
sww914   When I built my car I built it to the rules. Later...   Feb 7 2007, 11:17 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   When I built my car I built it to the rules. Late...   Feb 7 2007, 11:27 PM
914forme   that is the real problem a constantly moving targ...   Feb 8 2007, 06:02 AM
theol00   I read somewhere in a magazine where a few "o...   Feb 12 2007, 11:18 AM
BMXerror   really got a kick out of one "old" cha...   Aug 15 2007, 01:13 PM
J P Stein   If that's your attitude then you should go ...   Aug 28 2007, 06:13 PM
grantsfo   It's nice to think in black & white. I t...   Aug 28 2007, 07:49 PM
J P Stein   [ JP, I think your safe until SCCA starts testin...   Aug 28 2007, 08:23 PM
flesburg   Racing is all about cheating. There are more prod...   Feb 13 2007, 07:33 PM
DerekKim   Heck yeah! PAX is for the slow kids like me...   Feb 14 2007, 03:18 AM
Rotten Robby   Not intentionally... Mr. Baker pointed out that I ...   Feb 14 2007, 10:25 AM
grantsfo   Anyone know what kind of additive they used? http...   Feb 15 2007, 10:31 PM
Chris Hamilton   Anyone know what kind of additive they used? htt...   Feb 16 2007, 09:22 AM
byndbad914   Anyone know what kind of additive they used? htt...   Feb 19 2007, 06:54 PM
Brando   When I was doing AX every other month with the riv...   Mar 5 2007, 12:10 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   with my 2056 build with stock D-jet I could have c...   Mar 5 2007, 01:47 PM
grantsfo   with my 2056 build with stock D-jet I could have ...   Mar 5 2007, 03:57 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   we should be pretty comparable my car has Mahle c...   Mar 5 2007, 04:39 PM
Matt Meyer   I generally abhor cheating. But I will probably ...   Mar 6 2007, 06:56 PM
914forme   Matt don't worry about it, that Hyd. cam is do...   Mar 6 2007, 07:33 PM
Brando   Kind of wierd, in some PCA regions/zones they don...   Mar 8 2007, 01:07 AM
Matt Meyer   Matt don't worry about it, that Hyd. cam is d...   Mar 9 2007, 11:37 AM
ppickerell   Unfortunately the guy that built my motor is a con...   Mar 13 2007, 09:08 PM
914wizard   Unfortunately the guy that built my motor is a co...   Mar 13 2007, 09:40 PM
JPB   Cheating? If I do, you'll have to figure it o...   Apr 8 2007, 08:10 AM
Nicke Nilsson   Icke sa Nicke....skulle inte falla mig in att fusk...   Aug 15 2007, 10:23 AM
Joe Ricard   I had my car weighed several times with Truck scal...   Aug 28 2007, 07:38 PM
Joe Ricard   If any of you watch F1 you might have noticed tha...   Aug 29 2007, 06:27 AM
hedfurst   Good book by famous all around driver Mark Donahue...   Aug 29 2007, 12:55 PM
Brett W   What point do you draw the line between "chea...   Sep 4 2007, 08:36 PM
Blood red 914-6gt   If you wanted to cheat up here you will get caught...   Sep 5 2007, 02:24 AM
J P Stein   If you wanted to cheat up here you will get caugh...   Sep 9 2007, 11:12 PM
Blood red 914-6gt   If you wanted to cheat up here you will get caug...   Sep 9 2007, 11:32 PM
dinomium   I remember a Side Glances from a few years ago tit...   Mar 5 2008, 12:31 AM
grantsfo   I remember a Side Glances from a few years ago ti...   May 14 2008, 02:44 PM
tesserra   Nobody cares if you cheat unless you beat them or ...   May 18 2008, 05:59 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   Nobody cares if you cheat unless you beat them or...   May 19 2008, 04:11 PM
koozy   I don't cheat and I don't expect to win an...   Sep 8 2008, 10:28 AM


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