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> What to do to a 2056 with 2.0 DJet, Help get this motor worked out.
Teknon
post Mar 18 2007, 07:28 PM
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Ok Motorheads,

Senerio:
New 2056, Slightly more aggressive than stock Isky VP-228 cam, ported 5pt heads with '74 2.0 D-Jetronics. Crane xr700 009 dizzy. Burch exhaust through SSI HX'ers

Question:
What would be some tricks and tips to make this engine more efficient. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool_shades.gif)

I thought of having the MPS adjusted for a 2056, read that somewhere. Would like to put an oil cooler in most likely.

What else would be things to concider. The engine is in boxes ready to assemble.

Please chime in

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I'm running an Isky 229 with D-Jet. Though there isn't much overlap (12 degrees at .050" lift, just like your VP228), I saw a significant reduction in vacuum at idle, though my idle was still pretty smooth and quiet. I experimented with advancing the timing at idle, and it improved significantly, which makes sense if overlap is indeed the issue. I'm in the process of modifying a spare distributor to reduce the total centrifugal advance, so I can run more advance at idle but not exceed 32 degrees (plus or minus) total at 3500 RPM. I'll know later this season.

The second thing I noticed was a lean miss at about 3000-3500 RPM at part throttle cruise. I "fixed" it by installing slightly higher flowing injectors, but I think the real solution (not proven yet!) is to tweak the MPS for richer running. Trouble is, I'm convincing myself that the problem is that the diaphram transitions off the part throttle stop too late, because if I open the throttle more (reducing the vacuum, and thereby starting the transition) the miss goes away. Unfortunately, this isn't one of the adjustments available. I hope to get a better handle on this this season as well.... There have been a number of posts from other folks having this problem as well......

I have no regrets in going with Isky.

Good luck with the engine... Jim
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QUOTE(jk76.914 @ Mar 18 2007, 09:04 PM) *

I'm running an Isky 229 with D-Jet. Though there isn't much overlap (12 degrees at .050" lift, just like your VP228), I saw a significant reduction in vacuum at idle, though my idle was still pretty smooth and quiet. I experimented with advancing the timing at idle, and it improved significantly, which makes sense if overlap is indeed the issue. I'm in the process of modifying a spare distributor to reduce the total centrifugal advance, so I can run more advance at idle but not exceed 32 degrees (plus or minus) total at 3500 RPM. I'll know later this season.

The second thing I noticed was a lean miss at about 3000-3500 RPM at part throttle cruise. I "fixed" it by installing slightly higher flowing injectors, but I think the real solution (not proven yet!) is to tweak the MPS for richer running. Trouble is, I'm convincing myself that the problem is that the diaphram transitions off the part throttle stop too late, because if I open the throttle more (reducing the vacuum, and thereby starting the transition) the miss goes away. Unfortunately, this isn't one of the adjustments available. I hope to get a better handle on this this season as well.... There have been a number of posts from other folks having this problem as well......

I have no regrets in going with Isky.

Good luck with the engine... Jim

Its much easier to adjust the MPS for the correct AFR using the inner, outer screw and the WOT end plug. The stock injectors have plenty of fuel flow to handle it. The 2270 might be tough be still doeable depending on the cam. I have never used the Isky cams, I just know how much research was done by Raby to perfect his cam and lifter face grinds to stop the excessive wear and early death caused by the changing of the oil formula's.
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[quote name='Bleyseng' date='Mar 19 2007, 12:18 AM' post='876619']
[quote name='jk76.914' post='876526' date='Mar 18 2007, 09:04 PM']
I'm running an Isky 229 with D-Jet. Though there isn't much overlap (12 degrees at .050" lift, just like your VP228), I saw a significant reduction in vacuum at idle, though my idle was still pretty smooth and quiet. I experimented with advancing the timing at idle, and it improved significantly, which makes sense if overlap is indeed the issue. I'm in the process of modifying a spare distributor to reduce the total centrifugal advance, so I can run more advance at idle but not exceed 32 degrees (plus or minus) total at 3500 RPM. I'll know later this season.

The second thing I noticed was a lean miss at about 3000-3500 RPM at part throttle cruise. I "fixed" it by installing slightly higher flowing injectors, but I think the real solution (not proven yet!) is to tweak the MPS for richer running. Trouble is, I'm convincing myself that the problem is that the diaphram transitions off the part throttle stop too late, because if I open the throttle more (reducing the vacuum, and thereby starting the transition) the miss goes away. Unfortunately, this isn't one of the adjustments available. I hope to get a better handle on this this season as well.... There have been a number of posts from other folks having this problem as well......

I have no regrets in going with Isky.

Good luck with the engine... Jim
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Its much easier to adjust the MPS for the correct AFR using the inner, outer screw and the WOT end plug. The stock injectors have plenty of fuel flow to handle it. The 2270 might be tough be still doeable depending on the cam. I have never used the Isky cams, I just know how much research was done by Raby to perfect his cam and lifter face grinds to stop the excessive wear and early death caused by the changing of the oil formula's.
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Its much easier to adjust the MPS for the correct AFR using the inner, outer screw and the WOT end plug. The stock injectors have plenty of fuel flow to handle it. The 2270 might be tough be still doable depending on the cam. I have never used the Isky cams, I just know how much research was done by Raby to perfect his cam and lifter face grinds to stop the excessive wear and early death caused by the changing of the oil formula's.
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I thought I saw a post somewhere that you have to put constant WC pressure on it turn on screw than a nut. I'll have to find that again. Sounds like lots of tool bench preparation. But worth it, if I don't fkit it up. Nice to know the adventurous geniuses out there already figured these things out.

Thanx Geoff




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Teknon   What to do to a 2056 with 2.0 DJet   Mar 18 2007, 07:28 PM
Twystd1   Lets start here. Go with a Jake cam. PERIOD. Rea...   Mar 18 2007, 07:54 PM
Teknon   Budget? That's funny. I have a 2563 78.4mm CC ...   Mar 18 2007, 08:34 PM
Twystd1   I had no idea you knew about engines... YEA......   Mar 18 2007, 08:49 PM
Bleyseng   Get the 9550 cam/lifter set from Jake and then you...   Mar 18 2007, 08:41 PM
Teknon   Dunno how the Djet works with a 009 dizzy sinc...   Mar 18 2007, 08:43 PM
Teknon   Well djet is not really adventageous to use for u...   Mar 18 2007, 09:01 PM
914Sixer   Factory D-Jet dizzy for 2.0 ends in 009 to add to...   Mar 18 2007, 09:05 PM
Gint   Hey Joe! So is that my distributor? ;)   Mar 18 2007, 09:28 PM
Teknon   Hey Joe! So is that my distributor? ;) Ha...   Mar 18 2007, 10:17 PM
Gint   [quote name='Gint' post='876500' date='Mar 18 200...   Mar 18 2007, 10:55 PM
Teknon   [quote name='Gint' post='876500' date='Mar 18 20...   Mar 18 2007, 11:07 PM
jk76.914   I'm running an Isky 229 with D-Jet. Though th...   Mar 18 2007, 10:04 PM
Teknon   I'm running an Isky 229 with D-Jet. Though t...   Mar 18 2007, 10:43 PM
jk76.914   I'm running an Isky 229 with D-Jet. Though ...   Mar 18 2007, 11:17 PM
Teknon   Sure, but it'll be a two-way exchange. I...   Mar 18 2007, 11:21 PM
Bleyseng   I'm running an Isky 229 with D-Jet. Though t...   Mar 19 2007, 01:18 AM
Teknon   I'm running an Isky 229 with D-Jet. Though ...   Mar 19 2007, 10:59 AM
Demick   Trouble is, I'm convincing myself that the pr...   Mar 19 2007, 11:11 AM
pbanders   Trouble is, I'm convincing myself that the p...   Mar 19 2007, 03:55 PM
Krieger914   Bump the fuel pressure up. My 2270 with djet and ...   Mar 18 2007, 10:18 PM
Krieger914   Oh, check the throttle position sensor for your mi...   Mar 18 2007, 10:21 PM
malaga_red75   Trying to learn about engines, as I might be doing...   Mar 18 2007, 10:44 PM
Teknon   Trying to learn about engines, as I might be doin...   Mar 18 2007, 11:11 PM
TROJANMAN   Hey Joe :wavey: have you been hibernating? :gint2:   Mar 18 2007, 11:13 PM
Teknon   Hey Joe :wavey: have you been hibernating? :gint2...   Mar 18 2007, 11:16 PM
Phoenix914   :popcorn: I have a 2056 with D-Jet. I know noth...   Mar 19 2007, 11:54 AM
pbanders   Hey, Demick, your vacuum chart in the postings you...   Mar 19 2007, 03:56 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   Demick did you do all your adjustments with the MP...   Mar 19 2007, 04:03 PM
Demick   Demick did you do all your adjustments with the M...   Mar 19 2007, 05:23 PM
pbanders   Demick, I read those postings of your tuning effor...   Mar 19 2007, 04:16 PM
Demick   Brad I'm sure you are correct in your assessm...   Mar 19 2007, 05:14 PM
pbanders   Brad I'm sure you are correct in your assess...   Mar 20 2007, 02:48 PM


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