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computers4kids	Mar 30 2007, 04:10 PM Post #1
Love these little cars! Group: Members Posts: 2,443 Joined: 11-June 05 From: Port Townsend, WA Member No.: 4,253 Region Association: None	Brand new 215 SACHS clutch, pressure plate, throwout, and re-surfaced flywheel. With the trans bolted, and no clutch cable connected, the clutch should be engaged--but it is not. You can also move the clutch arm without too much effort. Took everything apart and all looks good??? Could the throwout bearing be depressing the plate from some reason when I bolt it all up....which would explain why the clutch is not by default engaged and the clutch arm is not to hard to move? I'm thinking the plate fingers are partially depressed making them easier to move further. There is one washer under the clutch pivot arm from when I did a new clutch when I had the 1.8 motor. Looking for ideas...I'm baffled... Attached image(s)

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drive-ability	Mar 30 2007, 04:57 PM Post #2
Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,169 Joined: 18-March 05 From: Orange County, California Member No.: 3,782	QUOTE(computers4kids @ Mar 30 2007, 03:10 PM) Brand new 215 SACHS clutch, pressure plate, throwout, and re-surfaced flywheel. With the trans bolted, and no clutch cable connected, the clutch should be engaged--but it is not. You can also move the clutch arm without too much effort. Took everything apart and all looks good??? Could the throwout bearing be depressing the plate from some reason when I bolt it all up....which would explain why the clutch is not by default engaged and the clutch arm is not to hard to move? I'm thinking the plate fingers are partially depressed making them easier to move further. There is one washer under the clutch pivot arm from when I did a new clutch when I had the 1.8 motor. Looking for ideas...I'm baffled... (By what process did you determine the clutch disk was not engaged? ) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

computers4kids	Mar 30 2007, 05:10 PM Post #3
Love these little cars! Group: Members Posts: 2,443 Joined: 11-June 05 From: Port Townsend, WA Member No.: 4,253 Region Association: None	(By what process did you determine the clutch disk was not engaged? ) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)Alright...I'm about ready to possibly show my ignorance.... With both rear wheels off the ground and everything back together I was going to adjust the valves and tried rotating one of the wheels to turnover the engine...this is when I realized the wheels and trasmission turned just fine, but the engine would not. I believed since the wheels and tranny turned and I should be able to see through the view hole of the bottom of the trans that the engine would be turning...which it was not. So I completly took the clutch cable off...still the same. Put car in gear...started engine...idle...one wheel just slowly turned and I could stop it easily with my foot.

So.Cal.914	Mar 30 2007, 06:47 PM Post #4
"...And it has a front trunk too." Group: Members Posts: 6,588 Joined: 15-February 04 From: Low Desert, CA./ Hills of N.J. Member No.: 1,658 Region Association: None	QUOTE(computers4kids @ Mar 30 2007, 04:10 PM) (By what process did you determine the clutch disk was not engaged? ) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)Alright...I'm about ready to possibly show my ignorance.... With both rear wheels off the ground and everything back together I was going to adjust the valves and tried rotating one of the wheels to turnover the engine...this is when I realized the wheels and trasmission turned just fine, but the engine would not. I believed since the wheels and tranny turned and I should be able to see through the view hole of the bottom of the trans that the engine would be turning...which it was not. So I completly took the clutch cable off...still the same. Put car in gear...started engine...idle...one wheel just slowly turned and I could stop it easily with my foot. If I am reading this right and the transaxle you have does not have a LSD then it is acting like it should. Unless you chalk up one wheel its just going to spin. When you turn it one wheel goes one way and one goes the other? Let us know.

computers4kids	Mar 31 2007, 05:17 PM Post #5
Love these little cars! Group: Members Posts: 2,443 Joined: 11-June 05 From: Port Townsend, WA Member No.: 4,253 Region Association: None	QUOTE(So.Cal.914 @ Mar 30 2007, 05:47 PM) QUOTE(computers4kids @ Mar 30 2007, 04:10 PM) (By what process did you determine the clutch disk was not engaged? ) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)Alright...I'm about ready to possibly show my ignorance.... With both rear wheels off the ground and everything back together I was going to adjust the valves and tried rotating one of the wheels to turnover the engine...this is when I realized the wheels and trasmission turned just fine, but the engine would not. I believed since the wheels and tranny turned and I should be able to see through the view hole of the bottom of the trans that the engine would be turning...which it was not. So I completly took the clutch cable off...still the same. Put car in gear...started engine...idle...one wheel just slowly turned and I could stop it easily with my foot. If I am reading this right and the transaxle you have does not have a LSD then it is acting like it should. Unless you chalk up one wheel its just going to spin. When you turn it one wheel goes one way and one goes the other? Let us know. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) After measuring all the cuts on the flywheel and finding them within tolerance and having a local shop take a peek at my pressure plate and disk, I decided to put it all back in. Well, I put the tranny back in...from what I read I had too much travel of the clutch arm so I put another washer under the pivot arm...even though it shouldn't have anything to do with my problem mentioned above--Although, a good idea for pedal adjustment. Fired it and up and low and behold the clutch worked beautifully. Drove around the block and it shifted and ran not to bad considering my MPS won't hold a vaccumm--a good one has been ordered..ouch! The engine has new rings, bearings...basic rebuild...so I guess I should go through the break-in routine. The motor seems louder than my 1.8...must be the stainless exchangers in lieu of the stock pipes. Or maybe I now have an extra squirrel or two under the hood than before. So the question is...why did it work this time? Did the washer under the pivot arm do the trick...no that would only help with dis-engaging the clutch. Either I just did numerous hours of pulling the trans, etc etc for nothing and got lucky, or perhaps the 914 gremlins felt sorry for me... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/boldblue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/boldblue.gif) . Can't decide whether to laugh or cry....ah hell, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) As soon as I know it's ship worthy...it's time for me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) and the mrs. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving-girl.gif) to go for a drive!

drive-ability	Mar 31 2007, 06:01 PM Post #6
Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,169 Joined: 18-March 05 From: Orange County, California Member No.: 3,782	QUOTE(computers4kids @ Mar 31 2007, 04:17 PM) QUOTE(So.Cal.914 @ Mar 30 2007, 05:47 PM) QUOTE(computers4kids @ Mar 30 2007, 04:10 PM) (By what process did you determine the clutch disk was not engaged? ) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)Alright...I'm about ready to possibly show my ignorance.... With both rear wheels off the ground and everything back together I was going to adjust the valves and tried rotating one of the wheels to turnover the engine...this is when I realized the wheels and trasmission turned just fine, but the engine would not. I believed since the wheels and tranny turned and I should be able to see through the view hole of the bottom of the trans that the engine would be turning...which it was not. So I completly took the clutch cable off...still the same. Put car in gear...started engine...idle...one wheel just slowly turned and I could stop it easily with my foot. If I am reading this right and the transaxle you have does not have a LSD then it is acting like it should. Unless you chalk up one wheel its just going to spin. When you turn it one wheel goes one way and one goes the other? Let us know. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) After measuring all the cuts on the flywheel and finding them within tolerance and having a local shop take a peek at my pressure plate and disk, I decided to put it all back in. Well, I put the tranny back in...from what I read I had too much travel of the clutch arm so I put another washer under the pivot arm...even though it shouldn't have anything to do with my problem mentioned above--Although, a good idea for pedal adjustment. Fired it and up and low and behold the clutch worked beautifully. Drove around the block and it shifted and ran not to bad considering my MPS won't hold a vaccumm--a good one has been ordered..ouch! The engine has new rings, bearings...basic rebuild...so I guess I should go through the break-in routine. The motor seems louder than my 1.8...must be the stainless exchangers in lieu of the stock pipes. Or maybe I now have an extra squirrel or two under the hood than before. So the question is...why did it work this time? Did the washer under the pivot arm do the trick...no that would only help with dis-engaging the clutch. Either I just did numerous hours of pulling the trans, etc etc for nothing and got lucky, or perhaps the 914 gremlins felt sorry for me... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/boldblue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/boldblue.gif) . Can't decide whether to laugh or cry....ah hell, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) As soon as I know it's ship worthy...it's time for me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) and the mrs. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving-girl.gif) to go for a drive! Who here hasn't done something like this ? Last month I removed my 930 transmission because I was sure I snapped the T/0 bearing just as I did a year before. After removing the transmission everything looked fine??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon8.gif) ?? I looked a bit closer and found the outer clutch fork broke at the splines. That was one clip, a bolt and off it would come. I went the long way (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) . I just jumped in too fast. In your case at least you were thinking. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)

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computers4kids Clutch Help Needed...what's wrong? Mar 30 2007, 04:10 PM

drive-ability Brand new 215 SACHS clutch, pressure plate, throw... Mar 30 2007, 04:57 PM

computers4kids (By what process did you determine the clutch di... Mar 30 2007, 05:10 PM

So.Cal.914 (By what process did you determine the clutch d... Mar 30 2007, 06:47 PM

computers4kids [quote name='computers4kids' post='881765' date='... Mar 31 2007, 05:17 PM

drive-ability [quote name='computers4kids' post='881765' date=... Mar 31 2007, 06:01 PM

Kargeek When you surface the flywheel aren't you suppo... Mar 30 2007, 05:39 PM

computers4kids When you surface the flywheel aren't you supp... Mar 30 2007, 05:47 PM

jr91472 For the motor to turn, one wheel has to be locked ... Mar 30 2007, 05:41 PM

Tom When you had the flywheel resurfaced, did they als... Mar 30 2007, 05:43 PM

jr91472 Now this may or may not apply to your situation. ... Mar 30 2007, 05:48 PM

computers4kids Now this may or may not apply to your situation. ... Mar 30 2007, 05:52 PM

John Um, the splines on the disc do match those on the ... Mar 30 2007, 10:22 PM

McMark :agree: :agree: :agree: :agree: :agree: One wheel... Mar 30 2007, 10:27 PM

SirAndy One wheel must be held from turning by something.... Mar 30 2007, 10:51 PM

So.Cal.914 It happens. Mar 31 2007, 06:08 PM

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