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Johny Blackstain
post Jul 17 2007, 08:27 PM
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Please visit the members VIN page & read about Knikki. Once you've read what she is tell me am I preservation or restoration? I have no fuching idea & it's starting to bother me. I don't know what to do, don't know if what I'm doing is right or wrong. I am a major virgin rookie to this concours stuff.


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post Jul 17 2007, 08:58 PM
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Please visit the members VIN page & read about Knikki. Once you've read what she is tell me am I preservation or restoration? I have no fuching idea & it's starting to bother me. I don't know what to do, don't know if what I'm doing is right or wrong. I am a major virgin rookie to this concours stuff.

Al,

I'm convinced you are Preservation. Let's check some things out, and the TOTAL is important:

Has the 914 been repainted, particularly with a color change?

Has the interior been redone?

From what I know of your 914, it is a Preservation candidate, and you should do well. But....get more info from PCA.org. If you can answer "yes" to the two above questions, you may need to move to restoration. If only one yes, you should be OK.

But....I'll defer to Jafsmith on these, since he has the most recent experience.

James?
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post Jul 18 2007, 08:53 AM
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QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Jul 17 2007, 10:58 PM) *


From what I know of your 914, it is a Preservation candidate, and you should do well. But....get more info from PCA.org. If you can answer "yes" to the two above questions, you may need to move to restoration. If only one yes, you should be OK.

But....I'll defer to Jafsmith on these, since he has the most recent experience.

James?
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From my LIMITED experience, you'd do well in Preservation, though you will take a hit on the comprehensive repaint (must be the same color).

ANYTHING that is not OEM spec for that year/model (i.e. your directional lense, unless yoiu can document it) may also earn you a "dermit" depending on how knowledgeable the judges are.

Watching the Restortion class judging, they appear to score equally on quality of the restoration (those items restored) and condition (cleanilness) of the rest of the car. Originality seems to be secondary.







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QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Jul 17 2007, 10:58 PM) *


From what I know of your 914, it is a Preservation candidate, and you should do well. But....get more info from PCA.org. If you can answer "yes" to the two above questions, you may need to move to restoration. If only one yes, you should be OK.

But....I'll defer to Jafsmith on these, since he has the most recent experience.

James?
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From my LIMITED experience, you'd do well in Preservation, though you will take a hit on the comprehensive repaint (must be the same color).

ANYTHING that is not OEM spec for that year/model (i.e. your directional lense, unless yoiu can document it) may also earn you a "dermit" depending on how knowledgeable the judges are.

Watching the Restortion class judging, they appear to score equally on quality of the restoration (those items restored) and condition (cleanilness) of the rest of the car. Originality seems to be secondary.

I'm a little confused here.

The PCR's indicate that, for Preservation, "most, if not all, of its original factory parts, such as paint, upholstery and carpet" should be original. What constitues "most"? Is a repaint to original not preservation? Patricularly, if nothing else on the car is unoriginal. I'd be hard pressed to call that a resoration. And, what constitutes "most"? Paint is - what - 5% of the car?

We need a clarification from a PCA/PCR person - know one, anyone? If not, I'll find one.
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QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Jul 17 2007, 10:58 PM) *


From what I know of your 914, it is a Preservation candidate, and you should do well. But....get more info from PCA.org. If you can answer "yes" to the two above questions, you may need to move to restoration. If only one yes, you should be OK.

But....I'll defer to Jafsmith on these, since he has the most recent experience.

James?
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From my LIMITED experience, you'd do well in Preservation, though you will take a hit on the comprehensive repaint (must be the same color).

ANYTHING that is not OEM spec for that year/model (i.e. your directional lense, unless yoiu can document it) may also earn you a "dermit" depending on how knowledgeable the judges are.

Watching the Restortion class judging, they appear to score equally on quality of the restoration (those items restored) and condition (cleanilness) of the rest of the car. Originality seems to be secondary.

I'm a little confused here.

The PCR's indicate that, for Preservation, "most, if not all, of its original factory parts, such as paint, upholstery and carpet" should be original. What constitues "most"? Is a repaint to original not preservation? Patricularly, if nothing else on the car is unoriginal. I'd be hard pressed to call that a resoration. And, what constitutes "most"? Paint is - what - 5% of the car?

We need a clarification from a PCA/PCR person - know one, anyone? If not, I'll find one.
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Good luck. For every person I've apprached on that very question, I have gotten a different answer. In Preservation it has been my observation that, a repaint, complete or partial, will earn a dermit, especially when an entrant arrives with original paint (be it perfect or with some wear).

When you think about it, is not a repaint a process of restoring the car to original condition? Thus the "Restoration" class designation?
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Johny Blackstain   What am I Doing?   Jul 17 2007, 08:27 PM
Pat Garvey   Please visit the members VIN page & read abou...   Jul 17 2007, 08:58 PM
Jasfsmith   From what I know of your 914, it is a Preservati...   Jul 18 2007, 08:53 AM
Johny Blackstain   From what I know of your 914, it is a Preservat...   Jul 18 2007, 09:05 AM
Jasfsmith   [Jeff- sorry, that pic is misleading. I no longe...   Jul 18 2007, 12:29 PM
Johny Blackstain   [Jeff- sorry, that pic is misleading. I no long...   Jul 18 2007, 03:19 PM
Pat Garvey   From what I know of your 914, it is a Preservat...   Jul 18 2007, 09:05 PM
Jasfsmith   [quote name='Jasfsmith' post='924961' date='Jul 1...   Jul 19 2007, 07:56 AM
Johny Blackstain   When you think about it, is not a repaint a proce...   Jul 19 2007, 08:16 AM
Jasfsmith   Could it not also be considered preserving a car...   Jul 19 2007, 11:43 AM
Johny Blackstain   hardward Did you mean hardware?   Jul 19 2007, 11:51 AM
Jasfsmith   hardward Did you mean hardware? Aye... Gues...   Jul 19 2007, 11:56 AM
Johny Blackstain   Pat- she has been repainted, but to original specs...   Jul 17 2007, 09:10 PM
Pat Garvey   Well, I've spoken (via e-mail) with 2 of the P...   Jul 23 2007, 07:57 PM
Johny Blackstain   :stromberg: . Limbo & some decisions to make....   Jul 23 2007, 08:16 PM
1970 Neun vierzehn   Pat, I'd interpret what you were told as this...   Jul 23 2007, 08:18 PM
Jasfsmith   Pat, I'd interpret what you were told as thi...   Jul 24 2007, 08:46 AM
Pat Garvey   [quote name='1970 Neun vierzehn' post='927221' da...   Jul 25 2007, 08:31 PM
Jasfsmith   Please visit the members VIN page & read abou...   Jul 24 2007, 08:49 AM
Johny Blackstain   Just for my info. You never did respond to wheth...   Jul 24 2007, 09:11 AM
Johny Blackstain   I decided I'm going to take a hit for my paint...   Jul 25 2007, 11:31 PM


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