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> Do you cheat?
Do you cheat on AX classifications?
Do you cheat on AX classifications?
Hell yes! I run higher compression and more displacement than I report [ 12 ] ** [15.19%]
Never! I'd only be cheating myself. [ 47 ] ** [59.49%]
I don't report things like lightened flywheel or slight compression improvements. Everyone cheats just a little. [ 5 ] ** [6.33%]
Sometimes I forget to report all modifications on my car [ 15 ] ** [18.99%]
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post Feb 6 2007, 07:35 PM
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post Feb 12 2007, 11:18 AM
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I read somewhere in a magazine where a few "old" SCCA racers where taking about that. I really got a kick out of one "old" chaps comment... " what do you mean ...cheating?...I thought we were racing?...and not trying to go to heaven.." One point of view...
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post Aug 15 2007, 01:13 PM
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really got a kick out of one "old" chaps comment... " what do you mean ...cheating?...I thought we were racing?...and not trying to go to heaven.."


If that's your attitude then you should go play in NASA's PT Unlimited class. If you think you're that creative an engineer and that good a driver, then be a man and put it out there. Out and out unlimited racing definitely has it's place, but so do performance classifications. IMHO, you're not a man if you sneak around behind everybody's back to win a race in the kiddie pool. That's like an MMA Champion picking fights at a school yard. It doesn't prove a damn thing about you except you're too play with the big boys.... too insecure to compete in a situation where, GOD FORBID, you might lose!
I haven't really had a chance to race yet, but when I do, I'm going to play it strait. I'm confident in my abilities in car preparation, and my potential in driving. I also know that cheating won't allow me to completely meet that potential. I'm confident that WHEN (not if) I lose, it won't completely crush me, because I have more important concerns in my life than what a few local, low budget, amateur racers think of me, and I already know that I'm not important enough for any of them to give a rats ass where I place anyway. My $.02
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post Aug 28 2007, 06:13 PM
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If that's your attitude then you should go play in NASA's PT Unlimited class. If you think you're that creative an engineer and that good a driver, then be a man and put it out there. Out and out unlimited racing definitely has it's place, but so do performance classifications. IMHO, you're not a man if you sneak around behind everybody's back to win a race in the kiddie pool. That's like an MMA Champion picking fights at a school yard. It doesn't prove a damn thing about you except you're too play with the big boys.... too insecure to compete in a situation where, GOD FORBID, you might lose!
I haven't really had a chance to race yet, but when I do, I'm going to play it strait. I'm confident in my abilities in car preparation, and my potential in driving. I also know that cheating won't allow me to completely meet that potential. I'm confident that WHEN (not if) I lose, it won't completely crush me, because I have more important concerns in my life than what a few local, low budget, amateur racers think of me, and I already know that I'm not important enough for any of them to give a rats ass where I place anyway. My $.02
Mark D.


It's nice to think in black & white.
I thought my car might be light for XP but was too lazy to prove it (the old ignorance is bliss defense), so ran most all the season in XP.
Doing the NT event , I had the oportunity to have the car weighed and it was 40 ish pounds light by their scales so then ran EM.....one fella who had weighed their car said the SCCA scales were 50 lbs off..(light)..go figure.
Now one can make a federal case out of my cheating, but remember it when you find yourself just a little bit pregnant.
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post Aug 28 2007, 07:49 PM
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It's nice to think in black & white.
I thought my car might be light for XP but was too lazy to prove it (the old ignorance is bliss defense), so ran most all the season in XP.
Doing the NT event , I had the oportunity to have the car weighed and it was 40 ish pounds light by their scales so then ran EM.....one fella who had weighed their car said the SCCA scales were 50 lbs off..(light)..go figure.
Now one can make a federal case out of my cheating, but remember it when you find yourself just a little bit pregnant.



JP, I think your safe until SCCA starts testing for steroids.
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JP, I think your safe until SCCA starts testing for steroids.


I'm safe till they start testing for hemorhiods..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon8.gif)
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grantsfo   Do you cheat?   Feb 6 2007, 07:35 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   I couldn't resist creating this anonymous pol...   Feb 6 2007, 07:40 PM
grantsfo   I couldn't resist creating this anonymous po...   Feb 6 2007, 09:47 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   [quote name='Dan (Almaden Valley)' post='...   Feb 6 2007, 09:54 PM
Crazyhippy   nope, class me w/ the regular 2liters... :D   Feb 6 2007, 07:42 PM
drew365   I think you would get a lot of votes for: I use c...   Feb 6 2007, 08:30 PM
grantsfo   I think you would get a lot of votes for: I use ...   Feb 6 2007, 09:51 PM
nine14cats   Nope...no need to cheat for me...no amount of chea...   Feb 6 2007, 08:31 PM
SirAndy   Do you cheat? not intentionally. takes the fun o...   Feb 6 2007, 09:57 PM
Andyrew   naw.. just build a bad ass car, label it as ...   Feb 6 2007, 10:12 PM
nebreitling   cheating at the club-level (especially AX/TT) seem...   Feb 6 2007, 10:28 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   cheating at the club-level (especially AX/TT) see...   Feb 6 2007, 10:32 PM
drew365   cheating at the club-level (especially AX/TT) see...   Feb 7 2007, 07:20 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   cheating at the club-level (especially AX/TT) se...   Feb 7 2007, 07:38 PM
nebreitling   really? wow, that surprises and disappoints me. -...   Feb 6 2007, 10:47 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   amazing what some folks will do and spend for a ...   Feb 6 2007, 10:50 PM
Chris Hamilton   We don't cheat, we just might have a few thing...   Feb 6 2007, 11:36 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   We don't cheat, we just might have a few thin...   Feb 6 2007, 11:40 PM
Chris Hamilton   We don't cheat, we just might have a few thi...   Feb 6 2007, 11:47 PM
grantsfo   That would be breaking the NDA. :idea: ...ND...   Feb 7 2007, 01:06 AM
Randal   [quote name='Dan (Almaden Valley)' post='...   Feb 7 2007, 11:53 AM
nebreitling   that makes sense to me. there are a lot of suspen...   Feb 6 2007, 11:47 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   and that is exactly what is wrong with our current...   Feb 7 2007, 12:05 AM
grantsfo   too many loop holes when it comes to lightening. ...   Feb 7 2007, 01:18 AM
914forme   too many loop holes when it comes to lightening. ...   Feb 7 2007, 07:12 AM
Matt Romanowski   really? wow, that surprises and disappoints me. ...   Feb 7 2007, 10:27 AM
nebreitling   so true :D -- but that's not flat-out lying...   Feb 7 2007, 01:05 PM
grantsfo   back to blyholder/hamilton, the little blue car ...   Feb 7 2007, 03:05 PM
Joe Ricard   Do you think I run X prepared because I am dishone...   Feb 7 2007, 10:53 AM
alpha434   Guys. Get some old pictures from famous race car...   Feb 7 2007, 09:16 PM
nebreitling   at the end of the day, the fact remains that very ...   Feb 7 2007, 09:50 PM
914forme   at the end of the day, the fact remains that very...   Feb 20 2007, 12:30 PM
sww914   When I built my car I built it to the rules. Later...   Feb 7 2007, 11:17 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   When I built my car I built it to the rules. Late...   Feb 7 2007, 11:27 PM
914forme   that is the real problem a constantly moving targ...   Feb 8 2007, 06:02 AM
theol00   I read somewhere in a magazine where a few "o...   Feb 12 2007, 11:18 AM
BMXerror   really got a kick out of one "old" cha...   Aug 15 2007, 01:13 PM
J P Stein   If that's your attitude then you should go ...   Aug 28 2007, 06:13 PM
grantsfo   It's nice to think in black & white. I t...   Aug 28 2007, 07:49 PM
J P Stein   [ JP, I think your safe until SCCA starts testin...   Aug 28 2007, 08:23 PM
flesburg   Racing is all about cheating. There are more prod...   Feb 13 2007, 07:33 PM
DerekKim   Heck yeah! PAX is for the slow kids like me...   Feb 14 2007, 03:18 AM
Rotten Robby   Not intentionally... Mr. Baker pointed out that I ...   Feb 14 2007, 10:25 AM
grantsfo   Anyone know what kind of additive they used? http...   Feb 15 2007, 10:31 PM
Chris Hamilton   Anyone know what kind of additive they used? htt...   Feb 16 2007, 09:22 AM
byndbad914   Anyone know what kind of additive they used? htt...   Feb 19 2007, 06:54 PM
Brando   When I was doing AX every other month with the riv...   Mar 5 2007, 12:10 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   with my 2056 build with stock D-jet I could have c...   Mar 5 2007, 01:47 PM
grantsfo   with my 2056 build with stock D-jet I could have ...   Mar 5 2007, 03:57 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   we should be pretty comparable my car has Mahle c...   Mar 5 2007, 04:39 PM
Matt Meyer   I generally abhor cheating. But I will probably ...   Mar 6 2007, 06:56 PM
914forme   Matt don't worry about it, that Hyd. cam is do...   Mar 6 2007, 07:33 PM
Brando   Kind of wierd, in some PCA regions/zones they don...   Mar 8 2007, 01:07 AM
Matt Meyer   Matt don't worry about it, that Hyd. cam is d...   Mar 9 2007, 11:37 AM
ppickerell   Unfortunately the guy that built my motor is a con...   Mar 13 2007, 09:08 PM
914wizard   Unfortunately the guy that built my motor is a co...   Mar 13 2007, 09:40 PM
JPB   Cheating? If I do, you'll have to figure it o...   Apr 8 2007, 08:10 AM
Nicke Nilsson   Icke sa Nicke....skulle inte falla mig in att fusk...   Aug 15 2007, 10:23 AM
Joe Ricard   I had my car weighed several times with Truck scal...   Aug 28 2007, 07:38 PM
Joe Ricard   If any of you watch F1 you might have noticed tha...   Aug 29 2007, 06:27 AM
hedfurst   Good book by famous all around driver Mark Donahue...   Aug 29 2007, 12:55 PM
Brett W   What point do you draw the line between "chea...   Sep 4 2007, 08:36 PM
Blood red 914-6gt   If you wanted to cheat up here you will get caught...   Sep 5 2007, 02:24 AM
J P Stein   If you wanted to cheat up here you will get caugh...   Sep 9 2007, 11:12 PM
Blood red 914-6gt   If you wanted to cheat up here you will get caug...   Sep 9 2007, 11:32 PM
dinomium   I remember a Side Glances from a few years ago tit...   Mar 5 2008, 12:31 AM
grantsfo   I remember a Side Glances from a few years ago ti...   May 14 2008, 02:44 PM
tesserra   Nobody cares if you cheat unless you beat them or ...   May 18 2008, 05:59 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   Nobody cares if you cheat unless you beat them or...   May 19 2008, 04:11 PM
koozy   I don't cheat and I don't expect to win an...   Sep 8 2008, 10:28 AM


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