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> Compression Ratio, Too High...Too Low ???
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post Sep 6 2007, 05:44 PM
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Ok folks,

We just finished rebuilding the motor...94mm pistons and cylinders to match...71mm stroke...but old 1.7 case...CC'd the heads and come up with 44 cc's per cylinder...

Do the calculations and we come out with 1971 cc's...Great !!!

But, The problem is the compression ratio is now 10.64 to 1...

The question of the day:
Should I take the cylinders and heads back off and shim them to get a little relief...Probably not going to get much...Might knock it down to 10 or 9.75 (if I'm lucky)...

DO NOT want this thing to clatter and diesel on me when I get it back together...

OK, let me have it...What are your thoughts ???

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post Sep 7 2007, 11:22 AM
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Ok, How the hell did you get a 44cc chamber?? Are these 1.7 heads? To take a 2.0 head, or a 1.8 to 44cc requires a ton of flycut, on a 2.0 head you'll break through the exhaust stud holes closest to the chambers at less than 51cc most of the time!

Now, if the heads have been machined this deep you have bigger issues as the va;ve deck has been dropped so far that you'll more than likely collide valves into pistons!

How did you determine that you had 44cc? Do you have pics of the chambers?

BTW_ adding a gross amount of shim to lower the CR has negative effects on the quench... This also lowers the engine's efficiency mandating a ton of extra timing advance to be used. I have seen engines have bigger issues with detonation and tempewrature with a ton of deck and lower CR than they did at much higher CR and better quench. Quench= efficiency and efficiency is the name of the game.

ONCE AGAIN, HOW THE HELL DID YOU END UP WITH A 44CC CHAMBER?
If you do have this chamber volume pull off the heads and sell them to a racer, or have them partially hemi cut to add some volume which would also be a half assed way of completing the task..
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2-OH!   Compression Ratio   Sep 6 2007, 05:44 PM
yeahmag   Way, way to high. You willl need some big honking ...   Sep 6 2007, 05:57 PM
mike373   Only if you plan on running jet fuel.... But seri...   Sep 6 2007, 05:58 PM
orange914   Only if you plan on running jet fuel.... But ser...   Oct 17 2007, 09:05 PM
ConeDodger   Ok folks, We just finished rebuilding the motor...   Sep 6 2007, 05:58 PM
swl   slight highjack: Educate me - how does the cam get...   Sep 6 2007, 06:03 PM
swl   should have thought about it more - has to do with...   Sep 6 2007, 06:05 PM
yeahmag   Long story short... A high duration cam bleeds of...   Sep 6 2007, 06:12 PM
2-OH!   Using a Web Cam 73 Grind...Still running D-Jet... ...   Sep 6 2007, 06:15 PM
Cap'n Krusty   Using a Web Cam 73 Grind...Still running D-Jet......   Sep 6 2007, 11:23 PM
yeahmag   My guess would be 8:1 on that cam. What did you he...   Sep 6 2007, 06:21 PM
jd74914   Ok, that compression is definitely too high for D-...   Sep 6 2007, 07:15 PM
2-OH!   I agree with Aaron above... Somebody check my mat...   Sep 6 2007, 09:43 PM
Twystd1   Whats your deck height? I.E. From top of piston t...   Sep 6 2007, 10:03 PM
2-OH!   Thanks Clayton... The way I measured it was with ...   Sep 6 2007, 10:14 PM
Borderline   My calcs: Cyl vol: 492.7 cc head vol: 44 cc d...   Sep 6 2007, 10:59 PM
Brett W   Toss the Djet, buy a nice cam Web 163/86b, or simi...   Sep 7 2007, 12:24 AM
Twystd1   What was the deck height measurement? CCC   Sep 7 2007, 12:28 AM
Bleyseng   What was the deck height measurement? CCC yeah...   Sep 7 2007, 09:34 AM
2-OH!   Thanks for the help guys... Looking at my notes, ...   Sep 7 2007, 09:40 AM
rhodyguy   rick, was your case 0 decked during the machining ...   Sep 7 2007, 09:49 AM
Jake Raby   Ok, How the hell did you get a 44cc chamber?? Are ...   Sep 7 2007, 11:22 AM
Brett W   Chamber volume can only be calculated by measuring...   Sep 7 2007, 11:51 AM
andys   Rick, I just now read this thread. I too question...   Sep 7 2007, 12:01 PM
2-OH!   Thanks Andy, good great idea...I would like to fig...   Sep 7 2007, 02:44 PM
Twystd1   Bring both of your heads to GAF. I have a burrete...   Sep 7 2007, 04:13 PM
2-OH!   Clayton, What a great offer, many thanks...Let me...   Sep 7 2007, 08:52 PM
Twystd1   You can also use a graduated horse serum syringe (...   Sep 7 2007, 09:52 PM
Twystd1   We now know the problem. And we have a possible ...   Sep 9 2007, 07:16 PM
Jake Raby   How many ccs were they???? A hemi cut might be in ...   Sep 10 2007, 08:19 AM
Heeltoe914   Clayton: I would say from seeing this motor a...   Sep 10 2007, 12:07 PM
brer   Lets see the aforementioned heads. I'm curiou...   Sep 10 2007, 12:41 PM
Heeltoe914   Lets see the aforementioned heads. I'm curio...   Sep 10 2007, 01:40 PM
Jake Raby   Feel free to send me the parts if you want... do t...   Sep 10 2007, 01:22 PM
2-OH!   I gotta tell you, after spending time at the GAF w...   Sep 10 2007, 02:07 PM
Twystd1   A butt ugly person from NARP has volunteered a com...   Sep 10 2007, 02:34 PM
andys   Agreed, the 2-OH car is beautiful and deserves a d...   Sep 10 2007, 03:40 PM
brer   If you ever come down this way bring those boat an...   Sep 10 2007, 03:56 PM
Brett W   Just put the heads on and run them. Don't wor...   Sep 10 2007, 11:16 PM
Joe Ricard   Sometimes you just got to wonder what people are ...   Sep 11 2007, 06:41 AM
type11969   What about using some dished pistons to bring the ...   Sep 11 2007, 07:19 AM
Joe Ricard   This would also kill the efficiency. There would b...   Sep 11 2007, 07:48 AM
type11969   I dunno if I agree with that, I'm pretty sure ...   Sep 11 2007, 08:29 AM
Joe Ricard   Bus piston dish is pretty huge. and pretty deep. ...   Sep 11 2007, 10:04 AM
Jake Raby   It'll take 8-12cc of piston dish to get the CR...   Sep 11 2007, 10:09 AM
davep   Hmm, I have a set of bus pistons in a 2.0 motor ju...   Sep 11 2007, 10:21 AM
Jake Raby   Its a good "Band aid" for his issue.   Sep 11 2007, 10:27 AM
Twystd1   We need solutions. Not bagging on the previous bui...   Sep 11 2007, 09:05 PM
Brett W   What's the deck height? You can't do it r...   Sep 11 2007, 10:06 PM
Twystd1   OK... Lets assume for a moment that we are using ...   Sep 11 2007, 10:40 PM
Heeltoe914   I think (sometimes not very well) that we can make...   Sep 11 2007, 11:44 PM
Jake Raby   Try it.. It tried it for almost 3 years off an on ...   Sep 12 2007, 12:05 AM
Heeltoe914   Try it.. It tried it for almost 3 years off an on...   Sep 12 2007, 04:27 PM
type11969   Hey, Bus pistons were my idea!! FYI I am r...   Sep 12 2007, 09:08 AM
Brett W   .030 is too tight a deck for the stock engine with...   Sep 12 2007, 09:18 AM
Bleyseng   I my own testing, changing the fuel pressure from ...   Sep 13 2007, 08:42 AM
Jake Raby   The problem with higher CR and stock FI is what oc...   Sep 13 2007, 09:46 AM
Heeltoe914   The problem with higher CR and stock FI is what o...   Sep 13 2007, 10:25 AM
type11969   brake specific fuel consumption fuel consumption ...   Sep 13 2007, 10:28 AM
Heeltoe914   That helped :confused: just ...   Sep 13 2007, 10:42 AM
type11969   it is a measure of efficiency, its how much fuel y...   Sep 13 2007, 10:48 AM


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