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> Compression Ratio, Too High...Too Low ???
2-OH!
post Sep 6 2007, 05:44 PM
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Ok folks,

We just finished rebuilding the motor...94mm pistons and cylinders to match...71mm stroke...but old 1.7 case...CC'd the heads and come up with 44 cc's per cylinder...

Do the calculations and we come out with 1971 cc's...Great !!!

But, The problem is the compression ratio is now 10.64 to 1...

The question of the day:
Should I take the cylinders and heads back off and shim them to get a little relief...Probably not going to get much...Might knock it down to 10 or 9.75 (if I'm lucky)...

DO NOT want this thing to clatter and diesel on me when I get it back together...

OK, let me have it...What are your thoughts ???

2-OH!





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post Sep 10 2007, 02:34 PM
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A butt ugly person from NARP has volunteered a complete 1.8 engine to 2-OH so we can yank the 1.8 heads off of it and get then reworked for his engine. His existing heads are boat anchors. Hopefully he can then sell the 1.8 long block (minus heads) to get the money to have the 1.8 heads gone through.

I can do the heads as well as Leamans machinist. Done right and done cheap for our friend.

This will allow us to get a proper deck height and get the job done right first time.

Now there is a secondary problem. 2-OH has a bone stock 1.7 injection system that is on his engine. The system has been gone through and works perfectly.
AND he is running a 2.0 crank and P&Cs.
With these new to him 1.8 heads and heat exchangers.

I don't know much about stock injection. But I am sniffing a 2.0 with a mild FI cam might run lean with those smaller runners and 1.7 injectors.

Who knows about this? As I don't want to help build something that won't work.

Lastly. Those small chambered heads that this thread started with were 1.7 castings that had been surfaced a bunch.
Thats based on what Leamon told me at GAF. He saw them before assembly. He and Ahdoman said the surfacing was cut way into the last cooling fin. Hence the CC issue. Especially on a 1.7 head.
The heads are still on the engine. We won't be using those in this build.
Accordong to 2-OH the valves are now barely touching the pistons.

Jake... If I had my way. We could send you the whole assembly. But that probably isn't gunna happen. We are trying to get this engine finished for basicly free. And it's not that hard to do either.

Thats why we are all stepping up to help.
2-OH has spent so much time on his car. And it is drop dead nice by all accounts. countless hours have been spent on this car.

He has had this engine built twice and had issues both times.
He doesn't have the funds to buy 2.0 heads and go through them. The money simply isn't there.

Me think it's time for the fellas to step up and help.
Leamon is a great guy who steps up all the time for people.
I am going to do the same. Slits is volunteering a complete engine so we can get a set of 1.8 heads off of it.
And sell the rest for money to help pay for the head work.

I am still worried about that injection question. I don't want to do squat until that question is answered.
Hopefully 2-OH will contact Bleysing and get his thoughts on the injection.

Cheers,

Clayton
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2-OH!   Compression Ratio   Sep 6 2007, 05:44 PM
yeahmag   Way, way to high. You willl need some big honking ...   Sep 6 2007, 05:57 PM
mike373   Only if you plan on running jet fuel.... But seri...   Sep 6 2007, 05:58 PM
orange914   Only if you plan on running jet fuel.... But ser...   Oct 17 2007, 09:05 PM
ConeDodger   Ok folks, We just finished rebuilding the motor...   Sep 6 2007, 05:58 PM
swl   slight highjack: Educate me - how does the cam get...   Sep 6 2007, 06:03 PM
swl   should have thought about it more - has to do with...   Sep 6 2007, 06:05 PM
yeahmag   Long story short... A high duration cam bleeds of...   Sep 6 2007, 06:12 PM
2-OH!   Using a Web Cam 73 Grind...Still running D-Jet... ...   Sep 6 2007, 06:15 PM
Cap'n Krusty   Using a Web Cam 73 Grind...Still running D-Jet......   Sep 6 2007, 11:23 PM
yeahmag   My guess would be 8:1 on that cam. What did you he...   Sep 6 2007, 06:21 PM
jd74914   Ok, that compression is definitely too high for D-...   Sep 6 2007, 07:15 PM
2-OH!   I agree with Aaron above... Somebody check my mat...   Sep 6 2007, 09:43 PM
Twystd1   Whats your deck height? I.E. From top of piston t...   Sep 6 2007, 10:03 PM
2-OH!   Thanks Clayton... The way I measured it was with ...   Sep 6 2007, 10:14 PM
Borderline   My calcs: Cyl vol: 492.7 cc head vol: 44 cc d...   Sep 6 2007, 10:59 PM
Brett W   Toss the Djet, buy a nice cam Web 163/86b, or simi...   Sep 7 2007, 12:24 AM
Twystd1   What was the deck height measurement? CCC   Sep 7 2007, 12:28 AM
Bleyseng   What was the deck height measurement? CCC yeah...   Sep 7 2007, 09:34 AM
2-OH!   Thanks for the help guys... Looking at my notes, ...   Sep 7 2007, 09:40 AM
rhodyguy   rick, was your case 0 decked during the machining ...   Sep 7 2007, 09:49 AM
Jake Raby   Ok, How the hell did you get a 44cc chamber?? Are ...   Sep 7 2007, 11:22 AM
Brett W   Chamber volume can only be calculated by measuring...   Sep 7 2007, 11:51 AM
andys   Rick, I just now read this thread. I too question...   Sep 7 2007, 12:01 PM
2-OH!   Thanks Andy, good great idea...I would like to fig...   Sep 7 2007, 02:44 PM
Twystd1   Bring both of your heads to GAF. I have a burrete...   Sep 7 2007, 04:13 PM
2-OH!   Clayton, What a great offer, many thanks...Let me...   Sep 7 2007, 08:52 PM
Twystd1   You can also use a graduated horse serum syringe (...   Sep 7 2007, 09:52 PM
Twystd1   We now know the problem. And we have a possible ...   Sep 9 2007, 07:16 PM
Jake Raby   How many ccs were they???? A hemi cut might be in ...   Sep 10 2007, 08:19 AM
Heeltoe914   Clayton: I would say from seeing this motor a...   Sep 10 2007, 12:07 PM
brer   Lets see the aforementioned heads. I'm curiou...   Sep 10 2007, 12:41 PM
Heeltoe914   Lets see the aforementioned heads. I'm curio...   Sep 10 2007, 01:40 PM
Jake Raby   Feel free to send me the parts if you want... do t...   Sep 10 2007, 01:22 PM
2-OH!   I gotta tell you, after spending time at the GAF w...   Sep 10 2007, 02:07 PM
Twystd1   A butt ugly person from NARP has volunteered a com...   Sep 10 2007, 02:34 PM
andys   Agreed, the 2-OH car is beautiful and deserves a d...   Sep 10 2007, 03:40 PM
brer   If you ever come down this way bring those boat an...   Sep 10 2007, 03:56 PM
Brett W   Just put the heads on and run them. Don't wor...   Sep 10 2007, 11:16 PM
Joe Ricard   Sometimes you just got to wonder what people are ...   Sep 11 2007, 06:41 AM
type11969   What about using some dished pistons to bring the ...   Sep 11 2007, 07:19 AM
Joe Ricard   This would also kill the efficiency. There would b...   Sep 11 2007, 07:48 AM
type11969   I dunno if I agree with that, I'm pretty sure ...   Sep 11 2007, 08:29 AM
Joe Ricard   Bus piston dish is pretty huge. and pretty deep. ...   Sep 11 2007, 10:04 AM
Jake Raby   It'll take 8-12cc of piston dish to get the CR...   Sep 11 2007, 10:09 AM
davep   Hmm, I have a set of bus pistons in a 2.0 motor ju...   Sep 11 2007, 10:21 AM
Jake Raby   Its a good "Band aid" for his issue.   Sep 11 2007, 10:27 AM
Twystd1   We need solutions. Not bagging on the previous bui...   Sep 11 2007, 09:05 PM
Brett W   What's the deck height? You can't do it r...   Sep 11 2007, 10:06 PM
Twystd1   OK... Lets assume for a moment that we are using ...   Sep 11 2007, 10:40 PM
Heeltoe914   I think (sometimes not very well) that we can make...   Sep 11 2007, 11:44 PM
Jake Raby   Try it.. It tried it for almost 3 years off an on ...   Sep 12 2007, 12:05 AM
Heeltoe914   Try it.. It tried it for almost 3 years off an on...   Sep 12 2007, 04:27 PM
type11969   Hey, Bus pistons were my idea!! FYI I am r...   Sep 12 2007, 09:08 AM
Brett W   .030 is too tight a deck for the stock engine with...   Sep 12 2007, 09:18 AM
Bleyseng   I my own testing, changing the fuel pressure from ...   Sep 13 2007, 08:42 AM
Jake Raby   The problem with higher CR and stock FI is what oc...   Sep 13 2007, 09:46 AM
Heeltoe914   The problem with higher CR and stock FI is what o...   Sep 13 2007, 10:25 AM
type11969   brake specific fuel consumption fuel consumption ...   Sep 13 2007, 10:28 AM
Heeltoe914   That helped :confused: just ...   Sep 13 2007, 10:42 AM
type11969   it is a measure of efficiency, its how much fuel y...   Sep 13 2007, 10:48 AM


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