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> Aerodynamic Aids - What a drag, What’s your drag?
chris914
post Nov 1 2007, 05:30 AM
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Have you made changes to your 914 body or are you thinking of it?

Here are a number of computer models comparing different body modifications to the 914 and the effects that they have on the cars aerodynamic drag.

http://www.cassidy-online.com/porsche914/aerodynamic_aids
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post Nov 3 2007, 12:28 PM
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Just a few somewhat random thoughts to add to the discussion:

Sean is right, "wind resistance" is not linear. Aerodynamic forces (drag, lift, downforce, all of the above) function as a square of the speed. In other words, double the speed and aero forces quadruple.

When you are looking at a various race cars for examples of things to try, keep in mind that the wings on those things are very tightly restricted by the rule book. Even those humongous billboards on the A mod cars are restricted (If I remember correctly) in the overall area and number of elements. Most of time what you see on race cars are not the ultimate solutions to an aero problem, but the best solution they can come up with and still be within the rules.

I did a study once looking at low speed wings in an autocross application. I found that a 6'span, 1' chord wing with the proper airfoil and camber (Very similar to the wing Paul has built, by the way) could produce as much as 45 pounds of downforce at 30mph. Doesn't sound like much, but last time I looked they time autocross down to the thousandth of a second... A small advantage is still an advantage!

Very, very generally, downforce helps in the turns, drag reduction helps in the straights. Look at where you spend most of your time on the track and in most cases an increase in drag in exchange for more downforce is a good swap. The only place I know of where minimum drag wins races is at Bonneville... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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chris914   Aerodynamic Aids - What a drag   Nov 1 2007, 05:30 AM
TeenerTim   Interesting but the 2006 report doesn't addres...   Nov 1 2007, 08:31 AM
BahnBrenner914   :agree:   Nov 1 2007, 09:48 AM
jd74914   They 2007 report says that they tested CFD models ...   Nov 1 2007, 09:53 AM
sean_v8_914   the flow path is the relevant info.   Nov 1 2007, 09:59 AM
chris914   Over the past three years, three different student...   Nov 1 2007, 01:46 PM
TeenerTim   Now if they could determine the optimum height, su...   Nov 1 2007, 02:27 PM
Joe Ricard   Please steer your students to test something like ...   Nov 1 2007, 02:52 PM
wbergtho   The only time aerodynamic aids will make an appre...   Nov 1 2007, 03:08 PM
chris914   The only time aerodynamic aids will make an appr...   Nov 1 2007, 03:49 PM
jhadler   The only time aerodynamic aids will make an appr...   Nov 1 2007, 05:38 PM
Joe Ricard   Our slowest courses are 50 MPH. I'm keeping ...   Nov 1 2007, 03:38 PM
BahnBrenner914   This has got me thinking of my ME/Aero senior desi...   Nov 1 2007, 09:25 PM
alpha434   Mr Hadler is definitely correct. It's simple ...   Nov 1 2007, 11:26 PM
Air_Cooled_Nut   So does anyone have EQUATIONS that one could plug ...   Nov 2 2007, 11:21 AM
chris914   So does anyone have EQUATIONS that one could plug...   Nov 2 2007, 12:34 PM
Air_Cooled_Nut   ...http://www.amazon.com/Aerodynamics-Hp1267-...72...   Nov 3 2007, 02:52 PM
Mike914   I'd like to see some studies done on the airfl...   Nov 2 2007, 12:27 PM
jhadler   ...so should I remove, keep or reverse the little ...   Nov 2 2007, 12:37 PM
Mike914   ...so should I remove, keep or reverse the little...   Nov 5 2007, 02:39 PM
jhadler   Actually NO fan anymore, the motor just has alumi...   Nov 5 2007, 02:47 PM
Mike914   Uhm... First off, no fan equals no engine... Just ...   Nov 6 2007, 07:39 PM
alpha434   Frontal profile X Cd = Drag Efficiency Wind speed...   Nov 2 2007, 12:46 PM
kwales   Hunhhhhhh?????? Chris, according to you "th...   Nov 2 2007, 07:54 PM
URY914   I'm getting in on this thread a little late, b...   Nov 2 2007, 08:12 PM
Twystd1   Yea... Those wings "MUST" be just for t...   Nov 2 2007, 08:19 PM
URY914   There is a ratio for a wing's height to its de...   Nov 2 2007, 08:21 PM
alpha434   Ken. That statement was half-joke. But only half. ...   Nov 3 2007, 12:31 AM
Twystd1   Chris................... Be nice dammit. Da old ...   Nov 3 2007, 01:46 AM
d914   ok, jumping in, no areo background and for the neo...   Nov 3 2007, 07:57 AM
Joe Ricard   My wing was not cheap and it is NOT a "RICER...   Nov 3 2007, 08:56 AM
d914   didnt mean it as a shot, just alittle toward styli...   Nov 3 2007, 09:15 AM
sean_v8_914   my wing a ling your wing a ling, won't you pla...   Nov 3 2007, 11:03 AM
Air_Cooled_Nut   ... those HUGE wings do work at lower speeds but ...   Nov 3 2007, 02:47 PM
Mikey914   I agree, the wing must be suited for the applicati...   Nov 3 2007, 11:48 AM
chris914   The real solution would be to have a variable ca...   Nov 3 2007, 01:03 PM
alpha434   The real solution would be to have a variable c...   Nov 3 2007, 01:58 PM
Mugs914   Early race car wings were actuated by the brakes....   Nov 3 2007, 08:46 PM
Mugs914   Just a few somewhat random thoughts to add to the ...   Nov 3 2007, 12:28 PM
Mugs914   Another couplea thoughts: Airplane wings operate ...   Nov 3 2007, 01:21 PM
Headrage   You know what they say: The bigger the wing, the ...   Nov 3 2007, 08:56 PM
Mugs914   You know what they say: The bigger the wing, the...   Nov 3 2007, 09:24 PM
alpha434   Well... You're right about the "no downfo...   Nov 3 2007, 09:57 PM
grantsfo   I love amatuer aerodynamic discussions. Anyone ...   Nov 3 2007, 11:16 PM
jhadler   I love amatuer aerodynamic discussions. Anyone...   Nov 5 2007, 11:46 AM
BahnBrenner914   Alright, reading through all this stuff is really ...   Nov 4 2007, 12:30 PM
chris914   I will most likely be sponsoring another student g...   Nov 4 2007, 02:41 PM
grantsfo   I will most likely be sponsoring another student ...   Nov 4 2007, 08:47 PM
chris914   Curious did you model any down force calculations...   Nov 4 2007, 11:16 PM
jd74914   Chris, have you ever used Fluent? Some guys here a...   Nov 4 2007, 08:58 PM
chris914   Chris, have you ever used Fluent? Some guys here ...   Nov 4 2007, 11:20 PM
sean_v8_914   like Mugz said...random thoughts... from an amateu...   Nov 5 2007, 12:11 AM
sean_v8_914   Elise, Exige Enzo too.   Nov 5 2007, 12:12 AM
jd74914   One more question. It says in the 2007 piece that ...   Nov 5 2007, 12:58 AM
chris914   One more question. It says in the 2007 piece that...   Nov 5 2007, 04:27 AM
kwales   Hey! Thanks for the big shot of the different...   Nov 6 2007, 08:23 PM
kwales   OK boys, I'm priming the pump.... Here is 2 ...   Nov 6 2007, 08:40 PM


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