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| chris914 |
Nov 1 2007, 05:30 AM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 489 Joined: 24-July 04 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 2,393 Region Association: Southern California |
Have you made changes to your 914 body or are you thinking of it?
Here are a number of computer models comparing different body modifications to the 914 and the effects that they have on the cars aerodynamic drag. http://www.cassidy-online.com/porsche914/aerodynamic_aids |
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| sean_v8_914 |
Nov 3 2007, 11:03 AM
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Chingon 601 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,011 Joined: 1-February 05 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,541 |
my wing a ling your wing a ling, won't you play with my wing a ling. those HUGE wings do work at lower speeds but look at how ridiculously large they need to be.
wind resistance is non-linear someone flip that turtle. the underside of the 914 has some area of improvement under the engine to where the air exits at the rear bumper valance/ air brake. we could benefit from a belly plate diffuser ala Exige or Enzo...not just a flat cover but a channeled diffuser where the channels increase in size as the air exits. sorta like a funnel flowing in reverse. this would reduce relative pressure the primary confuddlement is in wing vs spoiler. a wing is more effective at lower speeds than a spoiler, however, since wind resistance is non linear, the wing must be HUGE to work well at low speeds. a huge wing becomes a huge drag at big track speeds. the wing MUST be in clean air above the path of air flow that has been modified in direction by the car passing thru it. notice how high the wing is on the slower cars. notice that it is much lower on faster F1 cars. notice the severe angle of attack on those wing monsters as compared to the less extreme angle on the faster F1. notice also the the wing airfoil is inverted so it wants to fly towards the ground. in summary: no answers are absolute here. the answers are strickly dependent on the use of the car somebody make us a belly pan |
| Air_Cooled_Nut |
Nov 3 2007, 02:47 PM
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914 Ronin - 914 owner who lost his 914club.com ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,748 Joined: 19-April 03 From: Beaverton, Oregon Member No.: 584 Region Association: None |
... those HUGE wings do work at lower speeds but look at how ridiculously large they need to be...the wing must be HUGE to work well at low speeds. a huge wing becomes a huge drag at big track speeds. the wing MUST be in clean air above the path of air flow that has been modified in direction by the car passing thru it. notice how high the wing is on the slower cars. notice that it is much lower on faster F1 cars. notice the severe angle of attack on those wing monsters as compared to the less extreme angle on the faster F1. notice also the the wing airfoil is inverted so it wants to fly towards the ground. ... somebody make us a belly pan Thank you! I'm glad someone else understands this. I agree w/the belly pan idea. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif) |
chris914 Aerodynamic Aids - What a drag Nov 1 2007, 05:30 AM
TeenerTim Interesting but the 2006 report doesn't addres... Nov 1 2007, 08:31 AM
BahnBrenner914 :agree: Nov 1 2007, 09:48 AM
jd74914 They 2007 report says that they tested CFD models ... Nov 1 2007, 09:53 AM
sean_v8_914 the flow path is the relevant info. Nov 1 2007, 09:59 AM
chris914 Over the past three years, three different student... Nov 1 2007, 01:46 PM
TeenerTim Now if they could determine the optimum height, su... Nov 1 2007, 02:27 PM
Joe Ricard Please steer your students to test something like ... Nov 1 2007, 02:52 PM
wbergtho
The only time aerodynamic aids will make an appre... Nov 1 2007, 03:08 PM
chris914
The only time aerodynamic aids will make an appr... Nov 1 2007, 03:49 PM
jhadler
The only time aerodynamic aids will make an appr... Nov 1 2007, 05:38 PM
Joe Ricard Our slowest courses are 50 MPH.
I'm keeping ... Nov 1 2007, 03:38 PM
BahnBrenner914 This has got me thinking of my ME/Aero senior desi... Nov 1 2007, 09:25 PM
alpha434 Mr Hadler is definitely correct.
It's simple ... Nov 1 2007, 11:26 PM
Air_Cooled_Nut So does anyone have EQUATIONS that one could plug ... Nov 2 2007, 11:21 AM
chris914
So does anyone have EQUATIONS that one could plug... Nov 2 2007, 12:34 PM
Air_Cooled_Nut ...http://www.amazon.com/Aerodynamics-Hp1267-...72... Nov 3 2007, 02:52 PM
Mike914 I'd like to see some studies done on the airfl... Nov 2 2007, 12:27 PM
jhadler ...so should I remove, keep or reverse the little ... Nov 2 2007, 12:37 PM
Mike914
...so should I remove, keep or reverse the little... Nov 5 2007, 02:39 PM
jhadler
Actually NO fan anymore, the motor just has alumi... Nov 5 2007, 02:47 PM
Mike914 Uhm... First off, no fan equals no engine... Just ... Nov 6 2007, 07:39 PM
alpha434 Frontal profile X Cd = Drag Efficiency
Wind speed... Nov 2 2007, 12:46 PM
kwales Hunhhhhhh??????
Chris, according to you "th... Nov 2 2007, 07:54 PM
URY914 I'm getting in on this thread a little late, b... Nov 2 2007, 08:12 PM
Twystd1 Yea...
Those wings "MUST" be just for t... Nov 2 2007, 08:19 PM
URY914 There is a ratio for a wing's height to its de... Nov 2 2007, 08:21 PM
alpha434 Ken. That statement was half-joke. But only half. ... Nov 3 2007, 12:31 AM
Twystd1 Chris...................
Be nice dammit.
Da old ... Nov 3 2007, 01:46 AM
d914 ok, jumping in, no areo background and for the neo... Nov 3 2007, 07:57 AM
Joe Ricard My wing was not cheap and it is NOT a "RICER... Nov 3 2007, 08:56 AM
d914 didnt mean it as a shot, just alittle toward styli... Nov 3 2007, 09:15 AM
Mikey914 I agree, the wing must be suited for the applicati... Nov 3 2007, 11:48 AM
chris914
The real solution would be to have a variable ca... Nov 3 2007, 01:03 PM
alpha434
The real solution would be to have a variable c... Nov 3 2007, 01:58 PM
Mugs914
Early race car wings were actuated by the brakes.... Nov 3 2007, 08:46 PM
Mugs914 Just a few somewhat random thoughts to add to the ... Nov 3 2007, 12:28 PM
Mugs914 Another couplea thoughts:
Airplane wings operate ... Nov 3 2007, 01:21 PM
Headrage You know what they say:
The bigger the wing, the ... Nov 3 2007, 08:56 PM
Mugs914
You know what they say:
The bigger the wing, the... Nov 3 2007, 09:24 PM
alpha434 Well... You're right about the "no downfo... Nov 3 2007, 09:57 PM
grantsfo I love amatuer aerodynamic discussions.
Anyone ... Nov 3 2007, 11:16 PM
jhadler
I love amatuer aerodynamic discussions.
Anyone... Nov 5 2007, 11:46 AM
BahnBrenner914 Alright, reading through all this stuff is really ... Nov 4 2007, 12:30 PM
chris914 I will most likely be sponsoring another student g... Nov 4 2007, 02:41 PM
grantsfo
I will most likely be sponsoring another student ... Nov 4 2007, 08:47 PM
chris914
Curious did you model any down force calculations... Nov 4 2007, 11:16 PM
jd74914 Chris, have you ever used Fluent? Some guys here a... Nov 4 2007, 08:58 PM
chris914
Chris, have you ever used Fluent? Some guys here ... Nov 4 2007, 11:20 PM
sean_v8_914 like Mugz said...random thoughts... from an amateu... Nov 5 2007, 12:11 AM
sean_v8_914 Elise, Exige Enzo too. Nov 5 2007, 12:12 AM
jd74914 One more question. It says in the 2007 piece that ... Nov 5 2007, 12:58 AM
chris914
One more question. It says in the 2007 piece that... Nov 5 2007, 04:27 AM
kwales Hey!
Thanks for the big shot of the different... Nov 6 2007, 08:23 PM
kwales OK boys,
I'm priming the pump....
Here is 2 ... Nov 6 2007, 08:40 PM![]() ![]() |
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