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| chris914 |
Nov 1 2007, 05:30 AM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 489 Joined: 24-July 04 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 2,393 Region Association: Southern California |
Have you made changes to your 914 body or are you thinking of it?
Here are a number of computer models comparing different body modifications to the 914 and the effects that they have on the cars aerodynamic drag. http://www.cassidy-online.com/porsche914/aerodynamic_aids |
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| grantsfo |
Nov 3 2007, 11:16 PM
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Arrrrhhhh! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,327 Joined: 16-March 03 Member No.: 433 Region Association: None |
I love amatuer aerodynamic discussions.
Anyone care to publish actual measured downforce and drag created by those huge double wing Mod cars at 40, 50 and 60 MPH from a wind tunnel? Look at surface area of those wings - I havent seen a heavy production AX car that has a wing that comes close to that surface area. Then remember wieght of a Mod car. 100 lbs of downforce on a sub 1000 lb Mod is huge differnce. What are you guys making at 50 MPH with those wimpy wings on your 1400 to 3500 lb cars? So rather than attributing wings to performance to National class drivers choice why not offer some emprical measure data? Becuase somone uses a wing doesnt mean its effective. They may have a belief that wing is effective on their bigger car. Downforce created by wimpy little wings and spoilers I see on most production cars that AX in my opinion dont offer much at speeds below 60 MPH. And where is the front wing on 914's? Why bias an already rear heavy car with even more downforce at the back end? Youre only lightenting the front end if you dont have effective areodynamics up front. Like a 914 needs a lighter front end at speed? That blue mod car has its big wing in the right place. I dont think either side of this postion have offered much to support their use or non use of wings for AX. I just havent seen anyone offer data other than the "fast guys" use em. This post has been edited by grantsfo: Nov 3 2007, 11:18 PM |
chris914 Aerodynamic Aids - What a drag Nov 1 2007, 05:30 AM
TeenerTim Interesting but the 2006 report doesn't addres... Nov 1 2007, 08:31 AM
BahnBrenner914 :agree: Nov 1 2007, 09:48 AM
jd74914 They 2007 report says that they tested CFD models ... Nov 1 2007, 09:53 AM
sean_v8_914 the flow path is the relevant info. Nov 1 2007, 09:59 AM
chris914 Over the past three years, three different student... Nov 1 2007, 01:46 PM
TeenerTim Now if they could determine the optimum height, su... Nov 1 2007, 02:27 PM
Joe Ricard Please steer your students to test something like ... Nov 1 2007, 02:52 PM
wbergtho
The only time aerodynamic aids will make an appre... Nov 1 2007, 03:08 PM
chris914
The only time aerodynamic aids will make an appr... Nov 1 2007, 03:49 PM
jhadler
The only time aerodynamic aids will make an appr... Nov 1 2007, 05:38 PM
Joe Ricard Our slowest courses are 50 MPH.
I'm keeping ... Nov 1 2007, 03:38 PM
BahnBrenner914 This has got me thinking of my ME/Aero senior desi... Nov 1 2007, 09:25 PM
alpha434 Mr Hadler is definitely correct.
It's simple ... Nov 1 2007, 11:26 PM
Air_Cooled_Nut So does anyone have EQUATIONS that one could plug ... Nov 2 2007, 11:21 AM
chris914
So does anyone have EQUATIONS that one could plug... Nov 2 2007, 12:34 PM
Air_Cooled_Nut ...http://www.amazon.com/Aerodynamics-Hp1267-...72... Nov 3 2007, 02:52 PM
Mike914 I'd like to see some studies done on the airfl... Nov 2 2007, 12:27 PM
jhadler ...so should I remove, keep or reverse the little ... Nov 2 2007, 12:37 PM
Mike914
...so should I remove, keep or reverse the little... Nov 5 2007, 02:39 PM
jhadler
Actually NO fan anymore, the motor just has alumi... Nov 5 2007, 02:47 PM
Mike914 Uhm... First off, no fan equals no engine... Just ... Nov 6 2007, 07:39 PM
alpha434 Frontal profile X Cd = Drag Efficiency
Wind speed... Nov 2 2007, 12:46 PM
kwales Hunhhhhhh??????
Chris, according to you "th... Nov 2 2007, 07:54 PM
URY914 I'm getting in on this thread a little late, b... Nov 2 2007, 08:12 PM
Twystd1 Yea...
Those wings "MUST" be just for t... Nov 2 2007, 08:19 PM
URY914 There is a ratio for a wing's height to its de... Nov 2 2007, 08:21 PM
alpha434 Ken. That statement was half-joke. But only half. ... Nov 3 2007, 12:31 AM
Twystd1 Chris...................
Be nice dammit.
Da old ... Nov 3 2007, 01:46 AM
d914 ok, jumping in, no areo background and for the neo... Nov 3 2007, 07:57 AM
Joe Ricard My wing was not cheap and it is NOT a "RICER... Nov 3 2007, 08:56 AM
d914 didnt mean it as a shot, just alittle toward styli... Nov 3 2007, 09:15 AM
sean_v8_914 my wing a ling your wing a ling, won't you pla... Nov 3 2007, 11:03 AM
Air_Cooled_Nut
... those HUGE wings do work at lower speeds but ... Nov 3 2007, 02:47 PM
Mikey914 I agree, the wing must be suited for the applicati... Nov 3 2007, 11:48 AM
chris914
The real solution would be to have a variable ca... Nov 3 2007, 01:03 PM
alpha434
The real solution would be to have a variable c... Nov 3 2007, 01:58 PM
Mugs914
Early race car wings were actuated by the brakes.... Nov 3 2007, 08:46 PM
Mugs914 Just a few somewhat random thoughts to add to the ... Nov 3 2007, 12:28 PM
Mugs914 Another couplea thoughts:
Airplane wings operate ... Nov 3 2007, 01:21 PM
Headrage You know what they say:
The bigger the wing, the ... Nov 3 2007, 08:56 PM
Mugs914
You know what they say:
The bigger the wing, the... Nov 3 2007, 09:24 PM
alpha434 Well... You're right about the "no downfo... Nov 3 2007, 09:57 PM
jhadler
I love amatuer aerodynamic discussions.
Anyone... Nov 5 2007, 11:46 AM
BahnBrenner914 Alright, reading through all this stuff is really ... Nov 4 2007, 12:30 PM
chris914 I will most likely be sponsoring another student g... Nov 4 2007, 02:41 PM
grantsfo
I will most likely be sponsoring another student ... Nov 4 2007, 08:47 PM
chris914
Curious did you model any down force calculations... Nov 4 2007, 11:16 PM
jd74914 Chris, have you ever used Fluent? Some guys here a... Nov 4 2007, 08:58 PM
chris914
Chris, have you ever used Fluent? Some guys here ... Nov 4 2007, 11:20 PM
sean_v8_914 like Mugz said...random thoughts... from an amateu... Nov 5 2007, 12:11 AM
sean_v8_914 Elise, Exige Enzo too. Nov 5 2007, 12:12 AM
jd74914 One more question. It says in the 2007 piece that ... Nov 5 2007, 12:58 AM
chris914
One more question. It says in the 2007 piece that... Nov 5 2007, 04:27 AM
kwales Hey!
Thanks for the big shot of the different... Nov 6 2007, 08:23 PM
kwales OK boys,
I'm priming the pump....
Here is 2 ... Nov 6 2007, 08:40 PM![]() ![]() |
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